I watched this vid on Youtube. Interesting. They have 3 phase supplies. Does anyone know the cost of upgrading from a single to a 3 phase domestic supply?
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI7wxNtrorQ&lc=UgyPTN2d89tBByfm4Dx4AaABAg.9CrcYe7x50b9CsC6DnPJKw
I think there's intransigence from both sides of the argument... some people have already decided that EVs are a waste of time and refuse to see any of the advantages. Others, who see the ICE as the work of devil, refuse to see why we even allow them on the roads !
To be fair I think most of us see the benefits of EVs, and are willing to embrace them. But it's no good blindly ignoring possible issues along the way.
Seriously guys, its futile discussing this with someone who does not have a basic grasp of physics and electricity. Also someone who believes stuff on the internet / youtube without qualifying any of it is a bad decision maker. He does not even have an EV and he certainly has not had to install charging points, or explain to clients of landlords who are banned from installing charging points because of the lack of power.
I think we all know EVs weaknesses that they are trying to address, like range and charge time but sadly this just pushed the problem onto very high KW chargers. I think there are very few Evs that have an onboard charger larger than 11KW. This limits how fast they can be charged, generally its over 9 hours.
If the market goes to DC supercharging direct to the battery pack, then mere mortals will not be able to afford these chargers as they are eye wateringly expensive and the space alone rules most locations out.
These lamp post chargers and supermarket ones are just toys.
My view is leave it another 5 years, all the first adopters who are willing to put up with all these obvious weaknesses will have developed the market so that ordinary cars become viable.
I think we all know EVs weaknesses that they are trying to address, like range and charge time but sadly this just pushed the problem onto very high KW chargers. I think there are very few Evs that have an onboard charger larger than 11KW. This limits how fast they can be charged, generally its over 9 hours.
If the market goes to DC supercharging direct to the battery pack, then mere mortals will not be able to afford these chargers as they are eye wateringly expensive and the space alone rules most locations out.
These lamp post chargers and supermarket ones are just toys.
My view is leave it another 5 years, all the first adopters who are willing to put up with all these obvious weaknesses will have developed the market so that ordinary cars become viable.
For some folk an EV is already a perfect solution for 99% of their use, even if they don't see it. And for the very occasional long-range trip it would be cheaper just to hire something else.
But unless you have a home with a drive for your charger (or very accommodating work car park) and a use-case pattern that limits the mileage requirements between charges it is still a bit out of the range of sensible decisions.
But unless you have a home with a drive for your charger (or very accommodating work car park) and a use-case pattern that limits the mileage requirements between charges it is still a bit out of the range of sensible decisions.
I agree... one of the problems is that people are directly comparing EVs to ICE vehicles. My diesel van does over 400 miles between refuels... but does that mean I need the same thing with an EV ?? Of course not... but that's often what people are expecting. The days when I do > 100 miles are very very rare, so why do I need 400 miles of range ? But that's often the expectation.
There is no debate with him it is his way or no way
I don't think there is intransigence on both sides there is only one person that is arrogantly refusing to give answers to the questions asked of him, he thinks National Grid and the DNO's are one and the same and there will be electricity for all because the National Grid man says so and to keep posting links to videos and facts that are somewhat dubious to support his argument doesn't help his case
Th EV will happen but I see it part of a blended transport system with other technologies involved
The skepticism surrounding EV's is not helped by the gross exaggeration of the range per charge, if a car manufacturer quoted 40mpg and in the real world it only did 20mpg people would be boycotting that manufacturers vehicles but for some reason the poor range performance of EV's against the quoted range seems to be socially acceptable because it is environmentally friendly.
Once the practicalities of having and using an EV are ironed out especially where households have 2 or more vehicles then there will be change. Another issue that seems to be overlooked is that not everyone can afford or buys a new vehicle, that begs the question what should I look for and what should I check if I go to buy a secondhand EV
I can only agree with the futility of this discussion but this is being driven by one person who will not deviate from his crusade despite the extensive knowledge and experience of the people who have posted in this thread regarding the issues that will affect the wholesale change to an EV and electric future
This post hits the nail on the head, in the next few years we will have to look more closely at moving over to EV's but to achieve this there are a number of hurdles that need to be addressed to overcome the resistance to them these will hopefully have been solved by that time and the EV will be no different to the ICE vehicle
But the similar argument could be put that most times a Fiesta van would be perfectly adequate for daily use but then occasionally it might be a Transit connect or a larger Transit is needed for a week or two through the year. The current solution is buy the Transit it will cover every need the alternative is the inconveience of occasionally having to hire a larger vehicle
I was speaking generally... the pro EV group vs. the pro ICE group... never specifically about one person... if the debate is at the micro level, we don't get anywhere... it's the macro picture that's important.
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It's not really that similar. The solution to my one day a year dilemma when I want to travel further than the range allows is to stop for 30 mins to re-charge. And that's probably a stop I'd make anyway. The point I was making is that the range issue has been largely solved... notice that I say 'largely' not 'totally'... you'll always find an example of someone that still has an issue with it.
I'm currently evaluating whether an Electric Van would work for me... there are pros and cons, as there are with everything in life. But for me, range is not an issue.
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Apologies I looked at your comment in the wrong context
The whole EV debate has got many years to run yet there will be hardcore groups in each camp, John on here was beyond a hardcore fanatic IMO.
I have followed EV battery development for the last 40 odd years and I am still open minded on the subject, it can work but the EV industry needs to be more transparent when it comes to range and look to minimise the issues of charging during a long journey which was highlighted on the ITV programme on Thursday evening
I beg to differ regarding the similarities there are many similar examples I have friends and relatives who tow caravans and boats, for most of the time they don't need the vehicle they use daily but they need a vehicle that is capable of towing a number of times a year so they tailor their choice of vehicle to a vehicle capable of towing their trailer. It is the same with vans do we use a small vehicle and only carry the tools and materials for a particular job or do we have a larger vehicle and carry a lot of tools and materials that we may need but are rarely used.
Taking the same view to the EV as you have previously mentioned most of the time an EV capable of 100 or so miles would be more than adequate for most daily use but that odd trip that requires a longer range becomes more complex, having to stop every third or fourth service station down the motorway to recharge becomes inconvenient when I'm comfortable doing 200 - 300miles without stopping, about 2 years ago myself and another guy did the trip from Huelva, Spain to Wigan (1640 miles) via the channel tunnel in 32 hours including about 6 - 7 stops for a driver change, food and comfort breaks including 4 refuels, I'm not sure I would want to do that in a current EV that needs an hour or 2 to recharge every ???? miles.
That is no where near using a Tesla as a van , he only had one small box of tools and a boiler where was the rest of his kit
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With a 5 hour session that's heading into hangover territory
That's the problem when you try and prove an argument by the means of YouTube videos.
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