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You should issue him with an Invoice right away for the work done to date, and then move to small claims after that.

This is good. Issue an invoice with a clearly specified (but reasonable) time to pay and actions following non payment.
If you have been operating since June with no payment then it is time to call time and get payment sorted before any more work is done, you have to live and this is the nature of business.
Remember that if you have not given him the written notification of the right to cancel then he can still cancel at any time until a notice is given, then he has seven days, but he must sign to say he will pay for reasonable costs incurred to the date of cancellation.
Should he pay, then for all future work get signed quotes at each stage / change with terms and conditions of payment, including the actions covering late payment.
For any additions requested write out a quick quote and get it signed (always a failure on my part).

I wish you the best of luck.
 
Written polite reminder, then 30 days later another (polite) reminder including the following statement:

"I attach my original invoice to this letter and wish to inform you, that if the invoice is not settled in full by xx[SUP]th[/SUP] yyyyyy 2010, I intend to refer this matter to the Small Claims Court without further reference to you."


Good luck
 
Written polite reminder, then 30 days later another (polite) reminder including the following statement:

"I attach my original invoice to this letter and wish to inform you, that if the invoice is not settled in full by xx[SUP]th[/SUP] yyyyyy 2010, I intend to refer this matter to the Small Claims Court without further reference to you."


Good luck

When things start to turn nasty, what can also help is if you fill out a small claims court form, and include it with one of your 'demand for payment' letters.

I had a problem with a property company a few years back who would not return my deposit, I waited about six weeks during which time I was given every excuse under the sun. The thing that really pi$$ed me off was the fact that they were a massive company with an HQ in Knightsbridge :euro:

I faxed them a final demand on a Thursday, stating that unless I had received my money by the following Tuesday AM, on Tuesday PM I would be off down to the local court to submit the attached claim form. I included a copy of the completed form to show them I was not merely talking BS but knew what I was doing. It obviously worked, as I got a cheque the very next day.

Details..

http://hmctsformfinder.direct.gov.uk/courtfinder/forms/ex306_e.pdf

The form required..

http://hmctsformfinder.direct.gov.uk/courtfinder/forms/n1_0102.pdf

Cheers
 
Sounds like to me that yo have been fair and reasonable. I'm sorry to hear you are having problems with this guy. I agree with Tel that you shouldn't do anymore work until he has paid-up. If you go back again he'll take you for a mug.

I'd issue a final letter explaining the background circumstances as you have summarised here and attach an invoice for the amount to date. Give him 21 days to pay and if he doesn't pay just use the money claim online service to commence proceedings. Dead easy to do. A CCJ against him will affect his credit rating and thus any attempts to get his bridging loan that he wants.

I'd also give the nod to building control and why not put an ad in the local paper to advertise he doesn't pay his contractors?
 
All good advice regarding the law route. Further to the post about informing local tradesmen I would also have a quiet word with the managers of the local building suppliers , it may be that he has opened accounts with them; I'm sure they would thank you for the warning.
Before I did anything I would tell him of any action you are going to take regarding the advice you have been given, as has been said he is a chancer and a fright maybe all he needs.
Tell him the effect that credit checks will have on his future credit rating never mind ccj's. All the best.
 
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ok,
I have read the replies and there are a few questions for you

Is this retire builder a Ltd company of a private individual?

Have you submitted a written quotation?
Do you have a set of terms and conditions? if not here is one from this forum a few weeks ago and I'm now adopting these.
(http://www.electriciansforums.net/b...an-business-requires-advice-2.html#post397464)
Any documentation in regards variations or extras?
Did you submit the invoices in writing?
If you did submit the invoice did it state when the invoice was due?
What if any contract do you have in writing?
What if any contract was agreed verbally?

As it has already been stated that you should submit an invoice stating that if payment is not received within 7 days from date of the invoice the legal action will proceed?

After this has elapsed there are 2 choices. You can either go down the small claims court,

the URL is

https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/web/mcol/welcome

The forms are straight forward, when it goes to court go prepared and have all your documentation with you.

Over the last few year myself and my other half have been there 4 times, both us claiming against others and others claiming against us
1) Me first time. non-payment of invoice when subcontracting. I won I didn't fill the form in claiming interest on overdue monies so I got my invoice amount and expences
2) Other half. She said some garments (she's in the rag trade) were sub standard. the other party stalled and at the 11th hour attempted to propon the hearing. The magistrate over ruled him and he was absent. we won. and got expenses and costs. we wrote to him stating that he had 7 days to collect his stock, pro-former invoice for us to return his stock (invoice for something that will be done in the future). He had a courier company collect them.
3) A builder took us to court for non-payment of invoices. the work in the garden was not fit for purpose. we (both parties went to court) he wanted a plumber that is now a surveyor to be an expert witness. we wanted someone who has experience of block paving and hard landscaping (now retired from actual work due to back injury). There is no qualification in hard landscaping, however the expert witness we were proposing was helping to write the NVQ in it.
The long and the short of it is, the report went badly for the builder and he started another company. when we won there were no assets in the company. he had moved his office to his home. which has a 600mm high fence around it with and entryphone. there is CCTV in operation.
we commuted the CCJ to a writ of via farrsas (don't quote me basically as the money was over ÂŁ600 the bailiffs have more powers).
As the registered office is a domestic house then there is no way they can force entry to recover goods to the value.
Basically we won, but we won alot of work with no reward
4) Me subbing for another company, I started the small claims court against them. they "Phoenixed" the company. basically moved all assets out of the company left all the debt. and I was down ÂŁ3500

someone stated getting building control involved about the 1st fix was carried out but due to non-payment the second fix has not progressed and as a result any EIC is incomplete without your signature.
That's a good Idea


The small claims court is straight forward, you don't need to get someone to represent you, it'll be the magistrate, you and the other party sitting around a table.

When you do fill the form in. Make sure you fill in the bit about interest from the day the invoice became overdue

Good luck

Richard
 
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It's all experience,
good and bad.

but basically I don't do this job for fun.
I work hard, and would like to be rewarded for my efforts

If someone says they are having a cash flow problem, I can be flexible.
we all have those issues from time to time.
but when people take the P!55.....

Richard
 
Get back in there and remove everything you supplied. Tell him the money he has paid so far was for your labour and you still own the parts as he has failed to pay, as they still belong to you you're entitled to remove them. Then like everyone else has said, cut the cables flush, walk away lesson learned but don't leave him with anything that he's gained out of you. And most important, if he's older / smaller than you, punch him!!!
 
Get back in there and remove everything you supplied. Tell him the money he has paid so far was for your labour and you still own the parts as he has failed to pay, as they still belong to you you're entitled to remove them. Then like everyone else has said, cut the cables flush, walk away lesson learned but don't leave him with anything that he's gained out of you. And most important, if he's older / smaller than you, punch him!!!

This would be illegal
you maybe able to remove your property from somewhere, but you cant cause ant damage.
so If the walls are plastered you can remove the cables without damaging the plaster?

I think there is something somewhere that you can't just cut the cables (tempting as it is)
I'm not sure what but you would be damaging there property (as it is fitted to their building)

Richard
 
Get back in there and remove everything you supplied. Tell him the money he has paid so far was for your labour and you still own the parts as he has failed to pay, as they still belong to you you're entitled to remove them.

I like this idea, but I dont think I would do any damage to any work you have done upto now. If you do take him to court & you get all the money he owes you, you might have to finish the job off, and that would be a bit hard if you have cut all the cables.
 

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