AM2 Lighting

[Engineer54]

Here is a link to the complete pdf that includes drawings.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4yr5j9c6o4fohe5/AM2-Guide1.pdf

It seems all were producing now is T&E bashers!! You can actually qualify as a JIB electrician now without knowing how to install or even how to wire metal containment systems, which has always been the backbone of our industry. ...and have the cheek to call it Progress!!

Many people say that the new exam is actually less demanding than the old one. This might be true because of the removal of the MIMS cable and the steel conduit installation (these were the hardestparts where candidates used to fail on). However, we must keep in mind that now in the new AM2 exam Inspection and Testing is taken much more seriously, so that candidates must produce a full Electrical Installation Certificate.

So now we revise assessment course work qualifications in order to allow candidates to ''Pass'' rather than to assess their actual ability?? So what's wrong with ''adding'' to the requirements without dropping any of the basics?? Hell, they'll soon be dropping the full testing certificate procedure too, because the dimwits on the courses will be failing on them too!! What an absolute bloody Disgrace!!!

 

[Outspoken]

What an absolute bloody Disgrace!!!

I think that sums up our industry now.

 

[Engineer54]

I have been having a hunt for anything that relates to this subject, finally I found this quote..



Now this is not a regulation, only guidance toward CIBSE Engineers, or at least those who follow CIBSE Guidances so this is not definitive at all, but clearly one of the respected bodies has given this due consideration and decided there is a good reason to NOT pull Neutrals into switches and neither to terminate them there.

Thats good enough for me, as well as 30 years experience

To be totally honest, i think the CIBSE should take over the producing of BS7671. I'm pretty dammed sure they would make a far better job of it, considering the amount of contradictions and waffle it contains at the moment!!

 

[Dcf]

Sintras link to the am2 was enlightening to say the least.
nobody passing the test...let's make it easier then

 

[Outspoken]

Sadly that is the way of Britain today, rather than admit the educators are failing and the young are not being given the education they and the country so desperately need, they lower the bar to let standards sink even lower..

This is how all great nations have now sunk into the abyss of historical footnotes, and the UK is fast approaching the bottom of the page!

 

[Engineer54]

Sintras link to the am2 was enlightening to say the least.
nobody passing the test...let's make it easier then

From what i can make of it, they have done the same with the 2391-10!! Now it's in two parts and easier to pass than the original one qualification. At the same time they have increased the costs and therefore the income, to the C&G institute. Which is also fast becoming just another parasite to the technical training of tradesmen!! Nothing seems to be sacred anymore when it interferes with annual profits!!!

 

[Engineer54]

It's all much of a muchness, the single pole dedicated lighting contactors are highly reliable, can switch loads, in some cases, up to 63A and they are "off the shelf" and relatively cheap so they tend to be selected.

In a recent building I did see impulse relays being used in conjunction with a Lutron Lighting controller and that was a pretty need combination of the two systems in a warehouse where they wanted lights to be off most of the time, but for walkways to illuminate as people walked or took F/L Trucks down them, but as the lights were a mixture of fluorescent floods and metal halides they clearly decided the controller was unable to handle them directly so connected via the relays to avoid inrush issues, likely from the halides.

The advantage with the impulse relays, is that you require no holding current/voltage. They only require power for the switching operation, normally by a push button or momentary bell switch type wall accessory!! Standard rating is 16A but are available with higher ratings.

 

[ackbarthestar]

It seems all were producing now is T&E bashers!! You can actually qualify as a JIB electrician now without knowing how to install or even how to wire metal containment systems, which has always been the backbone of our industry. ...and have the cheek to call it Progress!!




So now we revise assessment course work qualifications in order to allow candidates to ''Pass'' rather than to assess their actual ability?? So what's wrong with ''adding'' to the requirements without dropping any of the basics?? Hell, they'll soon be dropping the full testing certificate procedure too, because the dimwits on the courses will be failing on them too!! What an absolute bloody Disgrace!!!

Lol, Where are you getting this information from?

JTL (ex training arm of the JIB) still require composite assessments via EAL to include MIMS, Steel conduit and trunking where the candidates are expected to be able to wire 2-plate lighting.

Please go away and research your facts before blowing smoke up each others posteriors. Lol........

 

[Dcf]

I love Gib!

After being nearly raped and robbed in Morocco, we escaped over the Straights to sanctuary.
Had a hair cut, wondered the streets without being told to F off, won about £60 on a fruity machine....
Ace place!

Pages of arguments to wade through to find this diamanté in the merde
archys tale of man rape and other nefarious goings on gets my post of the month
ha ha.

 

[Dcf]

You sound almost disappointed

With Jason's witty reply in close 2nd!

 

[Engineer54]

Lol, Where are you getting this information from?

JTL (ex training arm of the JIB) still require composite assessments via EAL to include MIMS, Steel conduit and trunking where the candidates are expected to be able to wire 2-plate lighting.

Please go away and research your facts before blowing smoke up each others posteriors. Lol........

About the new AM2 and the changes to the old AM2

AM2 or the Achievement Measurement 2 is a practical performance skill test administered by the National Electrotechnical Training (NET).You must take the AM2 test if you are: • An Apprentice finishing your JIB Apprentice Training Scheme • Finishing an Electrical Installation Apprenticeship • An oversees qualified electrician (from Poland or Hungary for example) who needs approval in order to gain the JIB card as an electrician Since January 2011 there are some big changes in the AM2 requirements. All candidates must take

From the PDF that Sintra posted actually.... So before opening your Gob and sticking both feet in it, trying to be ultra clever, read what's already been posted!! My comment on the JIB was meant to be read as satirical, not in terms as a matter of fact!!

 

[ackbarthestar]

From the PDF that Sintra posted actually.... So before opening your Gob and sticking both feet in it, trying to be ultra clever, read what's already been posted!! My comment on the JIB was meant to be read as satirical, not in terms as a matter of fact!![/FONT][/SIZE]

Lol, Just thought i'd continue this one for a little longer so that I've secured both feet, so to speak...

JIB students have, what used to be the 'AM1', which is now built into the assessments as part of their apprenticeship training where they are expected to install and wire 2-way lighting in both MIMS and conduit. So what has been left out in the AM2 has been corrected within the first years practical training.
From what i can see, the AM2 is just a collection of wiring exercises with additional extras such as S plan, RJ45, SY connections.

I hope you can now rest peacefully ......

 

[Knobhead]

Unfortunately Acbar you seem have put your size 10’s in you’re gob!

 

[Knobhead]

I love Gib!

After being nearly raped and robbed in Morocco, we escaped over the Straights to sanctuary.
Had a hair cut, wondered the streets without being told to F off, won about £60 on a fruity machine....
Ace place!

Anyone that has been to Gibraltar falls in love with it.

It’s also an engineers dream. The tunnels and gun emplacements have to be seen to be believed.

Unfortunately I had to return to Tangier!
I did enjoy the journey from Tangier to Casablanca despite being robbed on the way.

Another place I fell in love with was Malta GC. If I get the chance to go again I’m taking the gear I need to really explore the catacombs.

 

[Smudge]

got bored reading all the same answers over and over on this, so skipped the last few pages. It may have been brought up already, so apologies...is an unused neutral joint at a switch (which could be used later if the switch is changed to indicators or lutron types etc) any worse than an unused feed joint at a fitting (that could be used for erm, an emergency fitting at a later date)...

surley if both are in accordance with the regs, the pro's and cons argument is to be decided on the design and installation of each INDIVIDUAL installation and not by a typecast that ALL instalations are done one way or another? But of course i expect to be slated for having such a cowboy, loose jawed attitute towards such an obvious crime.