amendment 3 metal consumer units for domestic

[thekingiam]

Just read a blog stating all cu in domestic to be fire retardent is this true and does that mean all cu to be metal

 

[urbanmonkey]

I already had the white paper months ago, thought I would go along with another spark who hadn't seen it and to see if there had been any changes. There were more items he went through but to be honest I switched off and drifted into my own world and started drawing fighting stickmen and caricatures of the bloke doing the talk.

 

[Octopus]

We were told tonight that the consumer unit will need to be fire retardant or in a fire retardant enclosure, the suggestion put forward was that the new units will be 'of ferrous metal construction' all knockouts etc will have to have fire retardant inserts in them. (jan 2015)

Also all cables in plastic trunking etc will need some sort of fire retardant support in case of the containment failing due to thermal effects, this will also affect cables concealed in floors above a ceiling. (inception date not verified) ---------------------------------------------------------- Lets just hope they don't want them made up of 'cast iron', can you imagine trying to put a 12 way board up made of cast. Stainless steel would be better all shiny and bright and edges like razors

That is just nonsense. Suggest you read the proposed updates again.

 

[urbanmonkey]

That is just nonsense. Suggest you read the proposed updates again.

Reg numbers were quoted at us, so no 'nonsense' involved. I've read the proposed updates months ago, today was a run through of the actual updates with new reg numbers.

Speaking as somebody who has lost somebody very close to me in a fire, I think its a good idea, Firemen and building occupants are killed every year by cables hanging down and getting caught up in them or blocking escape routes, I wouldn't call saving a few lives 'nonsense'! It has been the spec on most of the industrial jobs I've been on for a good few years now, metal tie wraps on cables that rise vertically or travel horizontally on tray or over doorways etc etc.

Already products on the market to make this easy enough, cables under floors will be a bit more labour intensive obviously.

 

[Plonker 3]

You do realise the only people who know what the actual amendments are dont you and they arent part of any of the usual scams.

 

[davesparks]

Cables under floors won't need metal supports as a plasterboard ceiling is a fireproof barrier

 

[Octopus]

Reg numbers were quoted at us, so no 'nonsense' involved. I've read the proposed updates months ago, today was a run through of the actual updates with new reg numbers.

Speaking as somebody who has lost somebody very close to me in a fire, I think its a good idea, Firemen and building occupants are killed every year by cables hanging down and getting caught up in them or blocking escape routes, I wouldn't call saving a few lives 'nonsense'! It has been the spec on most of the industrial jobs I've been on for a good few years now, metal tie wraps on cables that rise vertically or travel horizontally on tray or over doorways etc etc.

Already products on the market to make this easy enough, cables under floors will be a bit more labour intensive obviously.

As I said before that is total nonsense. Sure there are "some" situations where this is relevent but ALL plastic trunking or conduit - absolutely not and as for above ceilings - that is tripe.

 

[Plonker 3]

Does that mean good bye plastic clips and ty wraps?

 

[Octopus]

Does that mean good bye plastic clips and ty wraps?

No, but it hopefully means goodbye to cheap shxt CU's

 

[urbanmonkey]

You do realise the only people who know what the actual amendments are dont you and they arent part of any of the usual scams.

And they are all keeping it a big secret and it will be a huge surprise come january when the yellow book is available? The scams are told what is happening, so they can tell us, so as an industry we are somewhat prepared.

 

[davesparks]

The scams aren't told any more than we are!
The scams just make up their own version and peach it as gospel.

Is anyone spreading the rumour about choc blocks being banned this time around? Or how about the demise of our trust ring finals? That one always causes a stir.

 

[Plonker 3]

And why should only the scams be privvy to this information and not everyone? Or is it another closed shop that they have to try and make us pay them subs?

 

[urbanmonkey]

As I said before that is total nonsense. Sure there are "some" situations where this is relevent but ALL plastic trunking or conduit - absolutely not and as for above ceilings - that is tripe.

Apparently the reg will state that areas used for ingress or egress or emergency egress of the property will require fire retardant containment, which in 99% of domestic properties is pretty much everywhere. Also not all ceilings are plasterboard/fire retardant, so in the real world it is not 'tripe' or 'nonsense' it is whats happening so we have to tow the line or pop on spurs and stetsons and habg around outside b+q

 

[urbanmonkey]

Its easier for the scams to relay the information to us, and if they put there own spin on it then that's up to them, i'm just relaying what I was told, don't shoot the messenger. Changes are afoot, deal with it or take up plumbing.

 

[Plonker 3]

Yes know changes are happening that why they are relaeasing a new ammendment. What isnt true is the information you have been given tonight.

 

[shanky887614]

We were told tonight that the consumer unit will need to be fire retardant or in a fire retardant enclosure, the suggestion put forward was that the new units will be 'of ferrous metal construction' all knockouts etc will have to have fire retardant inserts in them. (jan 2015)

Also all cables in plastic trunking etc will need some sort of fire retardant support in case of the containment failing due to thermal effects, this will also affect cables concealed in floors above a ceiling. (inception date not verified) ---------------------------------------------------------- Lets just hope they don't want them made up of 'cast iron', can you imagine trying to put a 12 way board up made of cast. Stainless steel would be better all shiny and bright and edges like razors

nah it will be matt white metal consumer units