Another fine mess??????

[Octopus]

A couple of months back one of my neighbours let me know that they were having a new kitchen fitted in their rental property. The complete works were to be undertaken by a very well known major DIY chain. They apologised for not getting me involved (which was very nice of them) but the DIY chain "have their own people".

So here we are 5 weeks after the works are complete. In the kitchen the electrics required modification to incorporate some new sockets.

My neighbour has been chasing said DIY chain for the certificate and Part P notification and nothing has been forthcoming. An exchange of email has taken place and the outcome, so far, is that the kitchen installer did all the work on the kitchen, including the electrics, but he's not registered, nor could he test, nor could he notify. The fitter is not an employee of the DIY chain

So they've asked me to get involved!!!!!!!!

I'm going to speak to the installer tomorrow to get his side of the story.

I've taken a quick look at the new kitchen and the "old style" cooker point has been covered over and I'm guessing that the new sockets were run as a radial off this point. The "old point" is completely hidden by a wall cupboard so its anyones guess how the "extension" to the cable was made.

My thoughts are:

Who can now notify this? (I'm happy to do an EICR on the specific changed circuits)
What tactic should my neighbour take with the DIY chain?
Who's responsibility is it to talk to LABC? The DIY chain, the installer, my neighbour?

My thinks this is going to be protracted as my neighbour knows about Part P etc PLUS his letting agent is asking for the certificates!

 

[supasparxs]

I can't help wondering what was the completion date for this kitchen fit?
As the DIY chain took the contract on to install the kitchen, I feel it is their responsibility to ensure all the documentation is in place.
As the kitchen is not complete until all the paperwork has been handed over the project is still ongoing.
Has the neighbour paid for the project in full?
if he has, and he has paid all or part of it on a credit card, ask the credit cards company to get involved
(Visa has bigger legal department that you LABC)
As the project has not been completed, the property can not be let out, as a result the consiquence the customer cannot let out the house.

just a couple of thoughts

 

[Paul.M]

Hi Murdoch, my wife works for a large expensive bathroom company on the legal complaints such as this. I've asked her where your neighbour stands. Most have already said it above but at least you know its all great advice from the lads.

First off all the shed have to instruct/sub contract the work to a "veted" tradesmen with the correct training, qualifications and insurance. In this case they haven't instructed a competent person.

The shed is liable for any extra costs involved obtaining the associated documents and correcting any shortfalls on standards of workmanship (in our case its certs, part p, regs).
The whole of this problem falls on the shed and not the installer they supplied.

Your friend can claim for loss of income (rent) but inform the shed ASAP that this is a rented property and it can not be rented out without the relevant certs (not covered by insurance if not certed).

 

[cook1e]

bottom line is they will put another team in to put it right, they will have that right, dont get in too deep, let it run its course, ****e i know but we had to do revisits for them , to be fair not often, on the bathrooms

Martin

 

[Octopus]

UPDATE : From the horses mouth (well the kitchen fitters

The DIY chain subcontract all the fitting/electrics to the fitter
The kitchen fitter has altered 2 circuits, including leaving a non MF JB behind a newly plasterboarded wall
His NICEIC sparky normally comes and tests etc, and notifies, for £90.00
75% of his mates do exactly the same


So what to do next?

 

[telectrix]

you could do as you suggested earlier. do a pir/eicr on the work, but you'll have to charge your neighbour for this, you're not a charity. give them a quote for any remedial work required and then they have some ammo to hit the shed with, cost of eicr+ remedial.

 

[Octopus]

you could do as you suggested earlier. do a pir/eicr on the work, but you'll have to charge your neighbour for this, you're not a charity. give them a quote for any remedial work required and then they have some ammo to hit the shed with, cost of eicr+ remedial.

Yes, thought of that but the notifcation?

 

[Plonker 3]

Surely if it is contracted out by the shed, they are responsible for it. Any contracts signed by neighbor saying anything like that?

 

[GLENNSPARK]

A couple of months back one of my neighbours let me know that they were having a new kitchen fitted in their rental property. The complete works were to be undertaken by a very well known major DIY chain. They apologised for not getting me involved (which was very nice of them) but the DIY chain "have their own people".

So here we are 5 weeks after the works are complete. In the kitchen the electrics required modification to incorporate some new sockets.

My neighbour has been chasing said DIY chain for the certificate and Part P notification and nothing has been forthcoming. An exchange of email has taken place and the outcome, so far, is that the kitchen installer did all the work on the kitchen, including the electrics, but he's not registered, nor could he test, nor could he notify. The fitter is not an employee of the DIY chain

So they've asked me to get involved!!!!!!!!

I'm going to speak to the installer tomorrow to get his side of the story.

I've taken a quick look at the new kitchen and the "old style" cooker point has been covered over and I'm guessing that the new sockets were run as a radial off this point. The "old point" is completely hidden by a wall cupboard so its anyones guess how the "extension" to the cable was made.

My thoughts are:

Who can now notify this? (I'm happy to do an EICR on the specific changed circuits)
What tactic should my neighbour take with the DIY chain?
Who's responsibility is it to talk to LABC? The DIY chain, the installer, my neighbour?

My thinks this is going to be protracted as my neighbour knows about Part P etc PLUS his letting agent is asking for the certificates!

if the client has a copy of any corrispondance stating that as far as the wireing was concerned that "they have their own people".....then surely he/she has em by the balls.......

 

[GLENNSPARK]

caus its about time that these unregistered, incompetent kitchen fitters ( i bet thats who has done this wireing)....are put out of action as regards electrical work is concerned.....their a bloody nightmare and my boss n I have come across stacks of their "work" if you could call it that...lol.....

 

[Octopus]

caus its about time that these unregistered, incompetent kitchen fitters ( i bet thats who has done this wireing)....are put out of action as regards electrical work is concerned.....their a bloody nightmare and my boss n I have come across stacks of their "work" if you could call it that...lol.....

If you look back at post 19 I did update the fact that the fitter told me he has in fact done the first and 2nd fix and his mate, the NICEIC spark gets £90.00 to test, certify and notify!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

If you look back at post 19 I did update the fact that the fitter told me he has in fact done the first and 2nd fix and his mate, the NICEIC spark gets £90.00 to test, certify and notify!!!!!!!!!!!

well if its an approved contractor then this would be ok ..yes?...but under part p then obviously it aint......all sounding quirky this is..lol....

 

[Octopus]

Elecsa's view is that the kitchen fitter should be reported to trading standards and the NICEIC chap to NICEIC.

I asked Elecsa when they were going to work with Napit and NICEIC to eradicate these "people"

 

[needasparks]

If you look back at post 19 I did update the fact that the fitter told me he has in fact done the first and 2nd fix and his mate, the NICEIC spark gets £90.00 to test, certify and notify!!!!!!!!!!!

It may be worth knowing, the NIC is the only body that do not allow this practice unlike others and it has to be the installer that certs.
Just thought i would mention in case it helps.

 

[Octopus]

It may be worth knowing, the NIC is the only body that do not allow this practice unlike others and it has to be the installer that certs.
Just thought i would mention in case it helps.

Not sure I understand your point.

 

[needasparks]

I mean a lot of the other bodies allow testing and certing a job carried out by third party as long as they were instructing the job but NIC are cracking down on this practice where other bodies turn a blind eye to it.