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An old customer asked me if I could sign off another contractors work that was carried out in their property, so that they could achieve Building Regs sign off. (They used a main contractor for the whole build hence why we weren't involved). I let her know how part P works with self certification etc and the proper routes i.e. ask the local authority to appoint a contractor etc etc, so that the instruction lies with the local authority. She did this to the tune of ÂŁ250. In return she received 2 EICR certs for the 2 properties; both CUs were 10-way and she has results for 3 circuits on each, so roughly 30%. The original installation was never tested, so the inspector had no paperwork to cross reference results. Whatsmore, of the circuits that were inspected and tested, there are departures that need to be rectified- hence why i was called and how I can see the reports. The inspector was there for under 2hrs, never inspected the origin of the installation (as he didnt have a key to unlock it) and so falsified those results and also missed glaringly obvious issues e.g. twin + cpc sub main 16mm, buried in the fabric, no RCD protection, no calculation on size of earth, though he did point out the 'earthing conductor is undersized, requires 16sqmm item. Surely if you sample test, you increase if you start finding problems??

What gets me is that I would never only test 30% of new work that I or my team installs and sign it off, nor can you for that matter. More than that I would never sign off, using a 30% yard stick, another contractors work without a full schedule of results and perhaps seeing the 1st fix etc. So how can the local authority instruct this contractor to only inspect 30%? If thats the case, i might as well stop my fully approved contractor status and get them to do it as we obviouslty present a full schedule of results that takes 3 times as long!

I've explained my concerns to the client but she has vehemently told me not to flag my issues with the local authority as she feels my way will end up costing her more money and time on a situation that has cursed her already over the last 2 years. so, no come back for the contractor or the local authority and i look like the bad guy who is trying to squeeze the client for extra work, before I've even visited! I've never managed to get a customer to complain to a governing body of the council when faced with these issues, so it will just keep happening.

From a business viewpoint, perhaps thats why others are so much cheaper than me on EICR, as we just arent doing the same job.

I'm really looking forward to taking over this family business......
 
Just checked the NIC book on periodic inspections and their three star inspection service states '30% inspection, testing and additional items' additional items include earth continuity of all accessable exposed-extraneous conductive parts, PAT testing, fixed equipment, load measurement, terminal temperatures and produce a circuit chart. Without the additionals only 20% is required. However, as you are aware if you find non compliances these percentages need to be increased.

In my opinion stick to 100% that way the only comebacks are reworks
whats PAT testing got to do with the fixed wiring/install?
 
I was called to a house that just had a PIR done and found 4 faulty single sockets the tenant reported this to the "inspector" and when I contacted the letting agent I was told only 10% of the sockets were tested. So I said well 2 in the livingroom were u/s and the one in the childs bedroom had a neutral missing and the last one was right next to the DB ????? Mind its not that bad I got the job to change them plus I sent the Zs test results for all of the flats sockets and when they said that must have taken time I said no actually 15 minutes tops
well its your dead tests that drink up the time old...lol...
 
Nothing really but i suppose customers may expect them to be included although the NIC state 'these will be listed seperately'
customers will only expect em to be included if your foolish enough to tell em it is.....so you dont...if they have owt that needs pat testing...it should be on top....when you go into a property on a PIR you dont need to be distracted by old Mrs Biddle`s ropey iron..or kettle or whatever...PIRs are for FIXED WIRING/INSTALLATION and thats it....
 
customers will only expect em to be included if your foolish enough to tell em it is.....so you dont...if they have owt that needs pat testing...it should be on top....when you go into a property on a PIR you dont need to be distracted by old Mrs Biddle`s ropey iron..or kettle or whatever...PIRs are for FIXED WIRING/INSTALLATION and thats it....

Just add an exception to the extent of the report. The usual, the report doesn't cover fire detection, intruder alarms etc...
 
Just add an exception to the extent of the report. The usual, the report doesn't cover fire detection, intruder alarms etc...
so on a PIR...would you not be testing the circuit feedins smoke/heat alarms?...look i`l tell you something vito.....we often find the CPC being used as the link wire on mains fed linked smokes/heats....so would you code that?...and if so what code would you give it....come on, this is PIRs....
 
so on a PIR...would you not be testing the circuit feedins smoke/heat alarms?...look i`l tell you something vito.....we often find the CPC being used as the link wire on mains fed linked smokes/heats....so would you code that?...and if so what code would you give it....come on, this is PIRs....

Sorry, it goes without saying all of the electrical circuits where accessable. i was referring to functionality and fire alarms.
 
Vito you rambling on about crap mate!

nobody has mentions Fire Detection or Security! and as usual the believers and non believers will be in disagreement with the NIC and its ramblings as well..!!

Part P operators need not poke there golden noses in the land of Inspections...!!
 
Vito you rambling on about crap mate!

nobody has mentions Fire Detection or Security! and as usual the believers and non believers will be in disagreement with the NIC and its ramblings as well..!!

How Rude,

I was merely stating word for word what they say. We all have our own way of doing things as i mentioned previously before we went off an a tangent. Mine is test 100% and on average sample 2-3 items per circuit (domestic) unless there are findings. Other than that i was just trying to make conversation on their reasoning. Seems like its time for bed
 

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