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An old customer asked me if I could sign off another contractors work that was carried out in their property, so that they could achieve Building Regs sign off. (They used a main contractor for the whole build hence why we weren't involved). I let her know how part P works with self certification etc and the proper routes i.e. ask the local authority to appoint a contractor etc etc, so that the instruction lies with the local authority. She did this to the tune of ÂŁ250. In return she received 2 EICR certs for the 2 properties; both CUs were 10-way and she has results for 3 circuits on each, so roughly 30%. The original installation was never tested, so the inspector had no paperwork to cross reference results. Whatsmore, of the circuits that were inspected and tested, there are departures that need to be rectified- hence why i was called and how I can see the reports. The inspector was there for under 2hrs, never inspected the origin of the installation (as he didnt have a key to unlock it) and so falsified those results and also missed glaringly obvious issues e.g. twin + cpc sub main 16mm, buried in the fabric, no RCD protection, no calculation on size of earth, though he did point out the 'earthing conductor is undersized, requires 16sqmm item. Surely if you sample test, you increase if you start finding problems??

What gets me is that I would never only test 30% of new work that I or my team installs and sign it off, nor can you for that matter. More than that I would never sign off, using a 30% yard stick, another contractors work without a full schedule of results and perhaps seeing the 1st fix etc. So how can the local authority instruct this contractor to only inspect 30%? If thats the case, i might as well stop my fully approved contractor status and get them to do it as we obviouslty present a full schedule of results that takes 3 times as long!

I've explained my concerns to the client but she has vehemently told me not to flag my issues with the local authority as she feels my way will end up costing her more money and time on a situation that has cursed her already over the last 2 years. so, no come back for the contractor or the local authority and i look like the bad guy who is trying to squeeze the client for extra work, before I've even visited! I've never managed to get a customer to complain to a governing body of the council when faced with these issues, so it will just keep happening.

From a business viewpoint, perhaps thats why others are so much cheaper than me on EICR, as we just arent doing the same job.

I'm really looking forward to taking over this family business......
 
Hi GlennSpark,

Sorry i didn't reply sooner, by the the time i had typed out my last reply you had posted a couple more but unfortunately I needed sleep.


Thats a good question,

Would I disconnect the 9v interlink (cpc) wire and lose the link and risk the customer not being alerted in the event of a fire, definitely not, especially given rechargeable lithium batteries could run on standby for a couple of years without mains power.

Is it potentially dangerous?

uninsulated conductor could become live if it touches the live conductor with no earth protection. induced voltage with no connection to earth. Could someone tap into the cable to feed something else mistaking the 9v link for a cpc.

Code C2

I am sure this will differ from sparky to sparky
 
Hi GlennSpark,

Sorry i didn't reply sooner, by the the time i had typed out my last reply you had posted a couple more but unfortunately I needed sleep.


Thats a good question,

Would I disconnect the 9v interlink (cpc) wire and lose the link and risk the customer not being alerted in the event of a fire, definitely not, especially given rechargeable lithium batteries could run on standby for a couple of years without mains power.

Is it potentially dangerous?

uninsulated conductor could become live if it touches the live conductor with no earth protection. induced voltage with no connection to earth. Could someone tap into the cable to feed something else mistaking the 9v link for a cpc.

Code C2

I am sure this will differ from sparky to sparky
agreed....c2
 
Some interesting points have been made but the most worrying is that a BC appointed contractor feels that it is sufficient to provide 30% test results on an installation that if it were own we would of course have to provide a complete test schedule. I'm writing to the Authority in question at their request and I hope this contractor losses the agreement.
 
Some interesting points have been made but the most worrying is that a BC appointed contractor feels that it is sufficient to provide 30% test results on an installation that if it were own we would of course have to provide a complete test schedule. I'm writing to the Authority in question at their request and I hope this contractor losses the agreement.

Please remember to come back and let us know what happens
 

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