Anyone got a digital copy of codebreakers

[Zerax]

An open conduit way differs to the lid being absent. I am a firm believer in stating the issue as opposed to technical jargon which is generally deemed double-dutch to the client. Codebreakers is not something I would possess or recommend to anyone as experience is key, you cannot be carrying out EICRs by substituting experience with a Guide book propped up beside you. This is the problem the EICR sector is facing.

One of the issues that the Codebreakers book is trying to fix is the lack of consistency in EICRs. If you get 5 sparks to do the same EICR... I'll put money on it that you'll get 5 different reports with a mix of C2s and C3s. Pick which one you like the most !

 

[Julie.]

One of the issues that the Codebreakers book is trying to fix is the lack of consistency in EICRs. If you get 5 sparks to do the same EICR... I'll put money on it that you'll get 5 different reports with a mix of C2s and C3s. Pick which one you like the most !

Exactly, so many are using eicrs just to obtain work that isn't needed.

Having something (which should be improved) to provide consistency is a good step

 

[Grant1987]

I am not sure why you object to it.

Whilst I disagree with some of the ratings given, I think it is useful, and if more people used it as a resource then we would have fewer instances of "plastic cu - must be changed" and the like.

It provides quick references, of course there is absolutely no reason to copy verbatim the technical information it provides to the inspector on to the clients report - why would there be.

On the other hand, I have seen "reports" that state nothing - need a rewire, not safe, ££££.

I do believe that if you produce a report it should be up to standard.

It should describe the issue to the layman, but it also must include the actual regulation/technical issue for the people who would be carrying out the repairs/upgrades.

Whilst it could be better, i think it provides a useful resource

I’ve had to change numerous plastic consumer units when not complying to Ip4x or infact not complying to me putting my arm in there and touching the bus bar on route to touching the main switch either

 

[Zerax]

Whilst it could be better, i think it provides a useful resource

Agreed. It would be useful if there was an efficient feedback system whereby sparks could ping send in details of any errors, inconsistencies or omissions. An online system would work well with this, that encompassed a good search facility. I think most EICR-ers carry a tablet/laptop. This would make it a far more usable resource.

 

[westward10]

I am not sure why you object to it.

Whilst I disagree with some of the ratings given, I think it is useful, and if more people used it as a resource then we would have fewer instances of "plastic cu - must be changed" and the like.

It provides quick references, of course there is absolutely no reason to copy verbatim the technical information it provides to the inspector on to the clients report - why would there be.

On the other hand, I have seen "reports" that state nothing - need a rewire, not safe, ££££.

I do believe that if you produce a report it should be up to standard.

It should describe the issue to the layman, but it also must include the actual regulation/technical issue for the people who would be carrying out the repairs/upgrades.

Whilst it could be better, i think it provides a useful resource

If you are competent then Guides are not required, if you are not competent then step away. There is no requirement to quote Regulation numbers they mean nothing to the client who receives the Report.

 

[Julie.]

If you are competent then Guides are not required, if you are not competent then step away. ....

So any electrician with the on-site guide.
Any electrician who refers to any of the available guidance notes (gn3, 8, whatever).

Should they step away?

Guides are a very useful resource, yes they can be misused, but overall I would prefer that we end up with more consistency in reports and overall installations via having them available and used wisely

 

[westward10]

I agree but Guidance Notes 1 to 8, not the On Site Guide which I have never possessed expand on BS7671. Codebreakers merely encourages people to undertake works to which they are not competent, to me this is dangerous as they are not likely to compile a Report in the best interests of the client.

 

[Grant1987]

If you are competent then Guides are not required, if you are not competent then step away. There is no requirement to quote Regulation numbers they mean nothing to the client who receives the Report.

I am the worlds worst for regulation numbers but through experience I know what is right and wrong and borderline which is where we all debate on certain matters I’m an advocate for upgrades which I know many on here don’t agree with. It goes back to my previous post of learning and expanding knowledge from More experienced electricians.

 

[Julie.]

I agree but Guidance Notes 1 to 8, not the On Site Guide which I have never possessed expand on BS7671. Codebreakers merely encourages people to undertake works to which they are not competent, to me this is dangerous as they are not likely to compile a Report in the best interests of the client.

We're going round in circles, but misuse by those inclined to do so doesn't mean the resource is inappropriate.

And as for doing a report that's not in the best interest of a client, that's not the exclusive preserve of people using codebreakers, on the contrary so many are going against codebreakers and the safety first resources with regard to cowboy cu changes.

I actually think eicrs shouldn't be open to general electricians, I think there should be a specific testing qualification for it, - just like many other areas in other fields of work, you must have considerable experience and knowledge, and participate in knowledge and standards sharing.

As an inspector, you should attend courses/meetings where collectively appropriate guidelines are agreed and understood.

For example become a garage mechanic, and you can't automatically do mot's, it requires further training and continuous development to maintain a consistent standard as much as practical

I know this won't be popular, but it will be an improvement on the mess that happens now

 

[westward10]

Problem is many of these people who carry out EICRs do have testing qualifications but totally lack knowledge or experience.

 

[Grant1987]

We're going round in circles, but misuse by those inclined to do so doesn't mean the resource is inappropriate.

And as for doing a report that's not in the best interest of a client, that's not the exclusive preserve of people using codebreakers, on the contrary so many are going against codebreakers and the safety first resources with regard to cowboy cu changes.

I actually think eicrs shouldn't be open to general electricians, I think there should be a specific testing qualification for it, - just like many other areas in other fields of work, you must have considerable experience and knowledge, and participate in knowledge and standards sharing.

As an inspector, you should attend courses/meetings where collectively appropriate guidelines are agreed and understood.

I know this won't be popular, but it will be an improvement on the mess that happens now

I do agree with what you’re saying because we all differentiate from what’s acceptable and what’s not. I think you’re view of general electrician is a bit borderline what is a general electrician? Lol

 

[Julie.]

I do agree with what you’re saying because we all differentiate from what’s acceptable and what’s not. I think you’re view of general electrician is a bit borderline what is a general electrician? Lol

One with this on their overalls:


(I do hope it's right i just nicked the image)

 

[Grant1987]

One with this on their overalls:
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(I do hope it's right i just nicked the image)

It’s not got the 3 feathers or the dragon on there so non compliant C1 that ??
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It’s not got the 3 feathers or the dragon on there so non compliant C1 that ??

There’s a song over here saying where you can stick you’re chariot! ?

 

[Julie.]

Problem is many of these people who carry out EICRs do have testing qualifications but totally lack knowledge or experience.

Agreed, I think obtaining an eicr type qualification should have much stricter entry criteria, it isn't like commissioning a new installation

 

[Grant1987]

It’s not got the 3 feathers or the dragon on there so non compliant C1 that ??
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There’s a song over here saying where you can stick you’re chariot! ?

My apologies just realised you’re Scottish?
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Agreed, I think obtaining an eicr type qualification should have much stricter entry criteria, it isn't like commissioning a new installation

Commissioning a new install where they have connected the new kitchen ring/cooker/shower circuit into old consumer ?‍ Needs to be upgraded