Anyone got a digital copy of codebreakers

[Julie.]

My apologies just realised you’re Scottish?
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Commissioning a new install where they have connected the new kitchen ring/cooker/shower circuit into old consumer ?‍ Needs to be upgraded

Nope English, I came up here to see how the heathens go on.......

 

[Grant1987]

Nope English, I came up here to see how the heathens go on.......

Great, I stick by my previous post then of where you can stick you’re Chariot
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Great, I stick by my previous post then of where you can stick you’re Chariot

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[Zerax]

Problem is many of these people who carry out EICRs do have testing qualifications but totally lack knowledge or experience.

The problem is more to do with the testing qualification itself... the standard/level of 2391 needs to be dramatically increased.

 

[Grant1987]

The problem is more to do with the testing qualification itself... the standard/level of 2391 needs to be dramatically increased.

It’s changed from 2391 then 2394/2395 then back to 2391 there’s no consistency there is nothing in black and white that makes my opinion wrong and your opinion right in terms of certain regulations we all interpret the regs in different ways and infact the regs and guides that go along with it all combat eachother there is no clear answer due to the difference of jobs it’s hard to manage but could do with a get together like Julie said and we all voice our opinion

 

[westward10]

The problem is more to do with the testing qualification itself... the standard/level of 2391 needs to be dramatically increased.

Problem it that is a class based "qualification", something which cannot be fully attained without practical experience in the field.

 

[Zerax]

For me... the key is consistency. We need to get to the stage where 4 out of 5 sparks doing the same EICR will come up with the same report. Not where 5 highly experienced sparks each produce a different report because each will have his own opinion on what he thinks is safe etc. And to come back the original topic, having a list of 'issues' with guidance on how to code them is a step in the right direction.

 

[westward10]

For me... the key is consistency. We need to get to the stage where 4 out of 5 sparks doing the same EICR will come up with the same report. Not where 5 highly experienced sparks each produce a different report because each will have his own opinion on what he thinks is safe etc. And to come back the original topic, having a list of 'issues' with guidance on how to code them is a step in the right direction.

It is a dangerous step in the wrong direction whereby the uninitiated refer to an unqualified Guide to coax them into decision of the blind leading the blind.

 

[Zerax]

It is a dangerous step in the wrong direction whereby the uninitiated refer to an unqualified Guide to coax them into decision of the blind leading the blind.

I can see where you're coming from...

I think we're all agreed that the 'Codebreakers' book is not perfect and there are many things that should be amended... it's a good start though and should be constantly improved.

Without a guide, you'll have the situation we have now... totally different opinions, giving totally different EICRs. We should make the reports more 'objective' and less 'subjective'.

 

[Grant1987]

For me... the key is consistency. We need to get to the stage where 4 out of 5 sparks doing the same EICR will come up with the same report. Not where 5 highly experienced sparks each produce a different report because each will have his own opinion on what he thinks is safe etc. And to come back the original topic, having a list of 'issues' with guidance on how to code them is a step in the right direction.

That is the answer we have a hundred maybe a thousand sparks who are all conducting an EICR on exactly same property and then let the maths do the talking so it won’t discriminate against experienced, inexperienced young, old, fast, slow, incompetent, competent another factor should be fault finding all with the same fault not an easy one which joe bloggs could guess and get it right but one which requires insulation resistance testing we definitely need a shake up

 

[Zerax]

That is the answer we have a hundred maybe a thousand sparks who are all conducting an EICR on exactly same property and then let the maths do the talking so it won’t discriminate against experienced, inexperienced young, old, fast, slow, incompetent, competent another factor should be fault finding all with the same fault not an easy one which joe bloggs could guess and get it right but one which requires insulation resistance testing we definitely need a shake up

Is your fullstop key not working ? I run out of breath reading your posts...

 

[Grant1987]

Is your fullstop key not working ? I run out of breath reading your posts...

My full stop key run out of breath too! ?‍
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Is your fullstop key not working ? I run out of breath reading your posts...

Looking back on my post I used commas so you can take a breath then butt

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

I can see where you're coming from...

I think we're all agreed that the 'Codebreakers' book is not perfect and there are many things that should be amended... it's a good start though and should be constantly improved.

Without a guide, you'll have the situation we have now... totally different opinions, giving totally different EICRs. We should make the reports more 'objective' and less 'subjective'.

It would be good if NAPIT and NICEIC worked together and come up with a shared book with the same codes and a more diverse range of observations as a guide

 

[Ian1981]

It would be good if NAPIT and NICEIC worked together and come up with a shared book with the same codes and a more diverse range of observations as a guide

They do, it’s called best practice guide from electrical safety first, both of these are on the panel who write it.

 

[Vortigern]

There is no requirement to quote Regulation numbers they mean nothing to the client who receives the Report.

Perhaps not for the client, but useful to refer to when coming on site as an electrician rectifying, or doing the next EICR. It is handy to know what particular reg. the previous electrician was acting in light of. It does have it's place. I have code-breakers a useful "other" viewpoint, I am not stepping away from EICR though! I do take the point if you have just got a 2391 or equivalent, get the codebreakers and live by that the trade is going to take a nose dive as virtually every EICR is going to be unsatisfactory.