approved electrician??

[AWD]

want to register for a jib card, now what i can make out i can qualify for an approved electrician card?, i have 2330 level 2 and 3, 17th edition, 2391, 2392, also pat testing. i no it mentions about an nvq level 3 but i can get my company to vouch for me as i have worked for them for 2 years and been doing it since i was 16 so 6 years experience. advice please :teeth_smile:

 

[thekingiam]

@thekingiam. Your best bet now is to do the NVQ with someone like Quickstep (there are others) and you won't need to do the AM2. That'll get you your gold card. What's the issue with C and G then ?

i registered with a company called vq training in 2010 as i believed they were going to introduce the am2 test to be completed as well as nvq which would of cost me more. i have a portfolio with one step on line but haven't started it yet as not working full time with a company and been trying to get into domestics as if city and guilds refuse my 2360 then i would not be able to complete nvq without these qualifications.
when i tried to enrol on 17 th course in 2010 was told that i didn't have all the parts of my 2360 so contacted city and guilds and principle at college to try and find out what parts were missing.

 

[thekingiam]

i was told that the year i did my final year another pupil had his assighnment go missing and after months of paperwork with city guilds got the final certificates.so waited and in 2011 they released another part of my 2360-2 which was a part of the assighnments section but not the final certificate so contacted them again and they told me i had not completed section 101. i asked them what section 101 was and was told it was an assighnments section so asked which part 2360-1 or 2360-2 they wasn't sure. asked college was told they believe it was 2360-1 and i should of never gotten on 2360-2,as none of them could give me a deffinative answer i researched this myself and believe it was 2360-2 assighnments section so contacted again and again city and guilds trying to get a response which certs am i missing still ongoing.
i have evidence of completing 2360-2 assighnments and handing them in via a receipt off head principle at college

 

[oldtimer]

i was told that the year i did my final year another pupil had his assighnment go missing and after months of paperwork with city guilds got the final certificates.so waited and in 2011 they released another part of my 2360-2 which was a part of the assighnments section but not the final certificate so contacted them again and they told me i had not completed section 101. i asked them what section 101 was and was told it was an assighnments section so asked which part 2360-1 or 2360-2 they wasn't sure. asked college was told they believe it was 2360-1 and i should of never gotten on 2360-2,as none of them could give me a deffinative answer i researched this myself and believe it was 2360-2 assighnments section so contacted again and again city and guilds trying to get a response which certs am i missing still ongoing.
i have evidence of completing 2360-2 assighnments and handing them in via a receipt off head principle at college

Yep thats good that you got receipts and sorry to hear that that they lost your stuff and I would advise that you copy and back up any work you do yes I know its a drag but remember at times you need to manage them now for me I keep all my business stuff on my laptop but do I trust it like hell I do that why I spent £10 on a USB flash drive and I back it all up every 2 weeks and yes what type of person does this type of thing but as I have said before in previous post I am not having a pop at anyone I dont have an ego to take out for a run.

 

[thekingiam]

i also have parts of my 2360-1 stating assighnments pass

 

[thekingiam]

i email myself copies of everything i do as i have in the past lost stuff on dodgy flash drives,computers failing etc.if hotmail lost my stuff though i would be knackered

 

[thekingiam]

why it is taking so long with city and guilds is after talking to them on the phone i realised i was getting the run around. so email them every time now so i got evidence of there incompetence and lack of assistance if i decide to take legal action against them or college.

 

[malcolmsanford]

As far as I know, the old system was A- spark B- approved spark, C -Technician.

To be honest, the system hasn't changed that much, it;s just the codings that confuse people.

So here goes.

Old system = 2360 part 1 now becomes 2330 level 2

2360 part 2 now becomes 2330 level 3

Under old system, 2360 part 1 had practical element, AM 1, now obsolete but can be taken as NVQ level 2 (I did this).

Under old and new system, 2360/2330 has practical element AM 2, revised, but still current and still a rigorous test!

so the underpinning knowledge element has changed coding, and perhaps style in the advent of an element of the multiple choice part. I stress here that there are extended question papers too.

That takes care of the A grade part, i.e. the minimum requirement for a 'sparks' card.

The old part 'B' is now the 2391 (actually been replaced in coding only) and with two years endorsement from a company will entitle the holder to apply for 'approved' status.

The part 'C' as far as I know is the design part, and this is where I will leave others to fill in here, or correct what I have asserted.

Please bear in mind, this is all (very hard to find) information, that I have pieced together from years in the trade and training. I hope it helps, and if I am wrong, then let's hope someone puts me straight because the college wouldn't give a straight answer!

Cheers.

Voltz

I got my A B C started in 70 and finished 75 when I was 21. I did a JIB apprenticeship to start with. I can only go by my memory of this, as it is nearly 40 yrs since I did it, but as far as I can remember the B was certainly harder than the 2391-10 and the C harder than the 2391-20 or their current equivalent

This is not to say that they were better, just different. My C took me onto the ONC and ultimately to my HND one. The B course there was no testing and inspection, well there wasn't in the early 70s anyway. It was purely regs and electrical theory and I just checked and it's proper title was

"Certificate in Electrical Installation course B"

The C again as far as I can remember was a lot more intense and covered a lot more than the 2391-20. We did a project also in the C but it was a lot more complex and there was a lot more theory behind it than the newer one. There were also a management part to it I can remember

The C itself never issued me a separate certificate but I got a combined certificate that was titled

"Full Technological Certificate", with you name on it and then had "Electrical Technicians Certificate" and your disciplines

So I think it's very hard to compare things over the years. The quals change so much, as I said I can remember very little coverage of testing and inspection, these disciplines really came into the industry in the late 80s and 90s and have mushroomed from there

 

[ayjay]

hi fellas, i,ve been out of the game for a few years(i,m 60 btw)i have my jib card
its for the 16th ,"approved electrician" its expired btw
i would like to get back into sparkying, what quals do i need to get?- thanks
andy

 

[Engineer54]

Boy you brought back some memories there Malcolm...lol!!!

Your right there wasn't much in the way of testing and inspection, on the installation course C&G course but did cover the correct testing of ring circuits etc, i think most of what was covered related to IR/continuity tests, early ELI tests (i think), TT testing using volt and amp meter. Most of the testing side of things was more on the maintenance C&G side of things, can't remember the course number now. A lot of the testing we had to do, being in an industrial environment, was gained from company led requirements that were taught at it's own training school and practically by spending time with technicians in the field, which on the whole was far more involved and covered more criteria and areas, that wouldn't be covered even in today's C&G courses, which still only covers BS7671 ...

I think your being rather polite here, ...as you know as well as many others here, the C&G standards that we had to gain in those days actually meant something, there was no open book or multiple choice questions then!! You had to know the answers to the papers questions and give detailed answers or you failed!! But then we were taught well, by tutors/lecturers that were former working fully qualified electricians or technicians and even Engineers, that didn't fill your head with there own ill-informed preferences etc, that could answer our daft or technical questions without having to look it up in a book!! lol!!!

 

[malcolmsanford]

Ajay you just need to upgrade your 16th to the 17th and then take the ECS exam and they will give you your approved JIB card

 

[malcolmsanford]

Boy you brought back some memories there Malcolm...lol!!!

Your right there wasn't much in the way of testing and inspection, on the installation course C&G course but did cover the correct testing of ring circuits etc, i think most of what was covered related to IR/continuity tests, early ELI tests (i think), TT testing using volt and amp meter. Most of the testing side of things was more on the maintenance C&G side of things, can't remember the course number now. A lot of the testing we had to do, being in an industrial environment, was gained from company led requirements that were taught at it's own training school and practically by spending time with technicians in the field, which on the whole was far more involved and covered more criteria and areas, that wouldn't be covered even in today's C&G courses, which still only covers BS7671 ...

I think your being rather polite here, ...as you know as well as many others here, the C&G standards that we had to gain in those days actually meant something, there was no open book or multiple choice questions then!! You had to know the answers to the papers questions and give detailed answers or you failed!! But then we were taught well, by tutors/lecturers that were former working fully qualified electricians or technicians and even Engineers, that didn't fill your head with there own ill-informed preferences etc, that could answer our daft or technical questions without having to look it up in a book!! lol!!!

Spot on Col I retook the 2400 course when the 16th came out as I needed to get up to speed. After taking the C course I was amazed that you could take your books into the 2400 course ie Regs, OSG Guidance notes, as you say mate the C course you had to have the formulas, to hand.

But in fairness the Testing side had come into things more and I guess you needed them

 

[darkstar26]

dont forget you need 2 years experience post nvq for a card of the gold variety!

 

[thekingiam]

i would be happy enough with a card that just said electrician for now.

 

[ayjay]

thanks malcolm , i,ll look into it, i only intend to work for agencys now and then

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Ayjay, you should be able to renew your card, as an installation electrician.
You won't get approved again untill you have the 2391 or whatever the JIB will be accepting as it's replacement.
To renew your card, all you should need, is the ECS health and safety exam, and the 17th.