Average Price for PIRs?

[Plonker 3]

Let them its down to quality as well!

I am a one man band with low prices so my prices are flexible!


I not no overheads to speak of - I can charge what I want to who I want (of course if the pay it)


I look at a job and think how much do I want to make off it - not how much can I make off these??



Its just a different way of thinking!

They wont care about quality just about the cert, but fair play to you for getting the contract in this climate, certainly going to provide a regular income for a sustained period of time.

As Des has said though don't be reliant on them as a lot of the work could become just visual very quickly.

 

[Spazz]

They wont care about quality just about the cert, but fair play to you for getting the contract in this climate, certainly going to provide a regular income for a sustained period of time.

As Des has said though don't be reliant on them as a lot of the work could become just visual very quickly.

I am thinking about offering a set charge to the agent for unlimited number of inspections over a year (for 100 named properties) for a set fee, that way he has paid up front

What do people think

Cold work out really low for him - 1 off or monthly payments garented for me, and a written contact so if he stops DDs then I can take him to court, breach of contract!


Say for example:

my rate is £100 per day

100 properties: £2000 for unlimited inspections on them - max of 3 per year (presuming all 2+2 - of course will have to work it out correctly!)

Should cost him £3,000 but he gets it for 2/3rds price (£66 per day) - he can sell the service to the landlords at £110 per day or what ever he wants and he makes his profit and I get mine.

Im happy for £66 on average per day - also thinking that not all properties will need to be done every 6 months as some are long tendencies!

Do that on 4 agents: £8,000 for year


Also bearing in mind they are also stating that all properties must be RCD protected and some of the houses are the old black boxes you cant put RCDs in easy so new CUs as well, and those wont need PIRs as they will have EICRs done on installation.

 

[UNG]

I am thinking about offering a set charge to the agent for unlimited number of inspections over a year (for 100 named properties) for a set fee, that way he has paid up front

What do people think

my rate is £100 per day

100 properties: £2000 for unlimited inspections on them - max of 3 per year (presuming all 2+2 - of course will have to work it out correctly!)

Should cost him £3,000 but he gets it for 2/3rds price (£66 per day) - he can sell the service to the landlords at £110 per day or what ever he wants and he makes his profit and I get mine.

Im happy for £66 on average per day - also thinking that not all properties will need to be done every 6 months as some are long tendencies!

Do that on 4 agents: £8,000 for year

So you are not offering unlimited inspections as you limit them

With regard to the charity pricing you appear to be offering doing it cheap now because for whatever reason you cannot earn more than 12K is the downward spiral increasing your prices by 25% year on year for a couple of years after will not be that easy to do especially in the current economic climate and the resistance to double digit increases, also why are your circumstances being used to help a letting agent make easy money

In my opinion price it real or not at all as all you are doing is setting the bar for a dutch auction and forcing already low rates even further down

 

[serenedream]

It is totally dependant on the size of the premises, the no. of circuits and how old it is. The circuits may not be marked or have no schedule. This will make the job harder and take more time. Also the location in the UK as London and other cities are more expensive. The only true way to find out is ring around local electrical firms and ask. This will not be conclusive as all jobs vary.

 

[D80]

£66 a day for doing PIR's? Minimum wage gets you near £50 a day without the overheads and thinking.

2 25% price increases will be hard to pull off, you'd be better pitching yourself around that rate now. If needs be sub the work out to a half decent spark to keep your own profit down. Or do the work and buy a load of new tools/van/stock etc. Just get that profit down to required level, but don't be doing jobs for peanuts.

 

[technospark]

£25 for a PIR! Ludicrous. We charge an enhanced rate for the up skilled work of doing a PIR and preparing the accompanying letter and a narrative which can extend to several pages of typing. We base our charges on a rate of £43.50 per hour for inspection & testing and our website quotes a rate for a typical domestic dwelling. This rate has just gone up from £170 to £265 + VAT to reflect the increased amount of admin time imposed by the new Electrical Installation Condition Reports. (Do not forget the PIR report ceased to be valid as of 1.1.12 and you can no longer use any of the old PIR stationary, it will not be accepted by lanlords or insurance companies)
We seem to have no shortage of work at this sort of rate and are constantly picking top the pieces left for landlords whom have had certification produced by others rejected.
To suggest that a full report can be done at anywhere near £25 shows a complete misunderstanding of what is involved

 

[Spazz]

I think your getting mixed up techno

EICR for new installation
PIR for existing installation every 5 years or occupant changes


In regards to maximum I said max 3 based on that is the max number of times a property can change hands in 1 year with these agents, they dont change more frequently as the tenancy is 6 months and the tenant is liable for 6 months, I know problems do come along and people have to move out quicker, but this is rarely the case.


If you where in the situation I am in you would understand!
I am new to the trade but with 6 years experience doing it as DIY (Dreaded DIY I know) and declaring it via LABC as my grandfather was never willing to pay for NICEIC - dont know why - tight old man I think! - yes hes an old welsh farmer!


To be honest everyone on here is saying offer services for free to get experience - well, Im undercharging for experience so I can still live.

There is no law saying how much we have to charge, I can charge as I want (as long as the customer is willing to pay) same as anyone else in the trade - between several trades in an area - sets the average price.

 

[technospark]

I think your getting mixed up techno

EICR for new installation
PIR for existing installation every 5 years or occupant changes

PIRs ceased to exist as of 01.01.12 with the coming into force of the Amendment no 1 issue of BS7671. From this date BS7671 no longer recognises the term PIR, and PIRs have ceased to exist or have any legal standing. EICs still exist in a modified form. EICRs are never used on a new installation unless the contractor has ceased to exist and the work is being certified by someone else in conjunction with building control.
If you do not have the latest issue of 7671 to hand then there is a lot of information on the Electrical safety council website particularly the "Best Practice Guide 4 issue 3 " which is a free download

 

[aknde]

I think your getting mixed up techno

EICR for new installation
PIR for existing installation every 5 years or occupant changes

PIRs ceased to exist as of 01.01.12 with the coming into force of the Amendment no 1 issue of BS7671. From this date BS7671 no longer recognises the term PIR, and PIRs have ceased to exist or have any legal standing. EICs still exist in a modified form. EICRs are never used on a new installation unless the contractor has ceased to exist and the work is being certified by someone else in conjunction with building control.
If you do not have the latest issue of 7671 to hand then there is a lot of information on the Electrical safety council website particularly the "Best Practice Guide 4 issue 3 " which is a free download

What is now used opposed to PIRs and what cert is used on new installations?

ps thanks for the BPG4I3 Dload

 

[technospark]

The PIR Has become the EICR (electrical installation condition report)
New installations are certified on the new version of the EIC as before

 

[aknde]

that sounds right, EICR report not certificate (sorry... done a night shift but still reading on laptop whilst being kept awake by my two daughters lol) otherwise I would have got off my arse to look at my notes on this.:yawn::yawn::yawn:

 

[Spazz]

Ok, my mistake

Napit told me that PIRs are still going - nevermind.

EICR Then

Just seen it on the regs 631.1

 

[Ponty Massive]

Nicholas

Not sure what your back ground or competence is, but do you have your 2391 and PI insurance?

 

[Spazz]

Im doing that now in college, coming up to the end of it.

I got the PI and PL Insurance with Napit check the thread for PI & PL

 

[Jay Sparks]

Hi Nicholas,

Try this website www.whatprice.co.uk/electrician/ It has prices from electricians and customers that have had various electrical work done. It also tells you what area they are in and what date the work was carried out. It covers most electrical services.
I generally charge about £25/30 per circuit for up to 8 circuits, extra circuits or ccu are extra. It would normally take me around 4/5 hours for a 3 bedroom semi, depending on the state of it.

Hope this helps.

Jay