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Hello everybody:) if you get told about good earnings in the past by anybody over the age of, say 45, then most of the time its true, they did make good money back in the 1970's, 80's and 90's , however the ones that are skint now are skint for a reason, many landed pretty girlfriends back in the day before their back went wonky, they were young and crazy and went out partying with pretty girls, and those pretty girls had expensive tastes, and a bank account they wanted filling, and they knew where to get the cash, as we all know, if youre flush and a pretty woman takes your fancy, you will probably splash the cash, pay their mortgage, buy them a nice second hand car etc, unless when youre not looking your Gaffer at work puts bromide in your tea, and you put all your money into a 10 year trust...
Then theres the fact that back in the 1980's and 1990's a lot of the sparkies and other construction workers went mental and travelled all over the world seeing the sites, drinking the drink and spending the cash, you know just taking 4 months off for the summer and heading to the airport.... and along came a wife and 3 kids......mortgage to get out of the 17th floor asbestos ridden damp flat with junkies outside.....thats the next 20 years wages pratted....thats Kim and Craig got into Uni, dont want to be sparks like their dad...."no son/daughter of mine is getting into student loan debt, not after I have worked so hard all those years, I wont allow it"...ok so thats 3 and a half grand a year, even in Scotland, as in Scotland that just gets added to the student loan debt...just for the fees, and 5 grand a year for student halls for the first year until they get settled, then books and a laptop, say another 2 grand, they'll need a wee car, thats 4 grand, and another thousand pounds to insure it every year, maybe 6 grand just to buy food, 40 pounds a month for a mobile contract, and they will go over the minutes so you will get billed.....student posessions insurance, another 120 pounds a year, they will need a pile of new clothes to go away to Uni, another 1000 pounds, then they will need clothes and shoes throughout the year, and petrol money, another say, 80 pounds a week........they will get a part time job in a bar, but that will only pay 5.79 an hour minimum wage, granted there wont be any tax on their small wages as students only pay £2 a week National insurance stamp, so they keep the rest...but they will spend that all on drink or saving for a summer time Holiday with their Uni friends....
So the next time an older guy says "ah the good old days" he's just remembering when he was your age and things were much better, you dont need to say "Hey old timer"....."Hey Gringo....yeah you mr I used to be a bank manager"...."dees is rubbish yo talkin".....because he is probably only working to pay for his children, or even Grand children to go through Uinversity......
It's great when youre young like us, not a care in the world, have this woman, have that car, go to that place on Holiday.....oo oo have that woman there too, that one in the Bar in Spain.... and its not until we have a girlfriend for a little longer than the last one, all our buddies are married "for some strange reason" and then the girlfriend starts crying for no reason one day...."I ve got sumthin...sumthin..boo hoo haa hoo umm ahhaayyyi..ta..tell..boo hoo...." (thinks to self oh crap) Iyaeeemhhh pregggnnaaaahhant"(face gone red, crying a waterfall) and thats it.....now you will be skint as well, unless you are really good at managing your work situation/workload....



motorbike-Gone, Family saloon 12k.
private let flat,which costs a thousand pounds a month-Gone, time for a house with a little garden, £1300 a month for the next 22 years, plus a £60,000 deposit and a £3000 bank admin charge, that you will need to see mum and dad for..
The girlfriend (wife now) she has to stop working to take care of the little one, so thats a wage down...

17 years pass by, been paying extra into mortgage so its in its last year of payments, and time for University...youre pleased as punch...thats a lot of money that you need to put out for the next 3 years but your boy is going to be a teacher....woo hoo...

Uni finished, boy all grown up and met a nice lady, working as a teacher, grandchildren on the way....youre sitting there in your chair at the bar rolling a cigarette, pint at side....happy old man,speaking to your old buddies who have all retired, youre still working 3 days a week as a sparky.... and Ayyyeay ayhyhaiaaiiiy (clutches chest) clatter, down goes the stool, on floor curled up twitching....life flashes before you(remembers good old days and all friends and family) ukkkkuhhhh .......drools....dead




If you find out that youre going to be a dad, make sure you start a trust fund for the wee one straight away while they are still a barely noticable bump, so that they can go to uni when they are 18, the best thing to do is to start a trust fund that matures and pays out at their 18th birthday, start another small one beside that that will mature at 21, just to make sure and it will help with a flat/house deposit when they finish uni, as well as maybe a gap year...
Get yourself set up with some kind of savings plan(be very very careful and check everything out 3 times first) that you can cash in the summer before the kids go to uni, so that you can take them on a nice big holiday abroad as a reward for being good, and these trust funds/savings accounts taken out now will mean that you can eventually retire, and that you will be slightly minted by the time the kids are grown up, instead of working to the very end...


thats just my :)2c


Cheers for the 'reality-check' post Grant.

I like your attitude.








Err, im unemployed, lazy and skint (no wonder im single).
 
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I hope to god by the time My son reaches that age he will have learnt that you do not need to go to university to earn good money.

Also the whole university set up will have changed by then . I see more and more customers sending their kids to private school abroad, so so much cheaper and they feel the children are getting a better education. We are not in a situation where i can afford to start saving that sort of money . Once he is about 10 , i am going to get him to start to learn how to buy and sell etc. Like i use to do years ago ! 34 years ago i was making £50 a week during the school holidays buying and selling stuff (Not drugs !)

Imagine all the parents who have saved like mad etc to educate their kids in university etc and now they are working in starbucks !!
 
I went to a local Electrical Company in Leicester recently to ask about their jobs advertised in the local paper.
Luckily, I didnt take up their offer to employ me, as a plasterer friend had done some sub-contracting for them, and told me about the conditions.
24 hours allowed for a full rewire of a 3 bed house - if you take longer, you dont get paid any more, their time is 24hrs. If you leave any mess, £40 deducted. If there are any snags, then £40 deducted if you cannot get to it that day. And the best - £12/hour for sub contractors. They allow 12 hours for 2nd fix and testing.
It seems they have a high turnover of staff.
Alan.
 
Personably I think you should name and shame this company. All potentional employees and customers should be vary of them.
 
slightly different game but,i average £800 a week,but i work on average 6 days a week and 70 hrs most unsocial,got no life,catch every bug/cold/flu going and constantly knackerd,if theres a job going for a grand a week for 37.5 hrs going please let me know..:confused:
 
I went to a local Electrical Company in Leicester recently to ask about their jobs advertised in the local paper.
Luckily, I didnt take up their offer to employ me, as a plasterer friend had done some sub-contracting for them, and told me about the conditions.
24 hours allowed for a full rewire of a 3 bed house - if you take longer, you dont get paid any more, their time is 24hrs. If you leave any mess, £40 deducted. If there are any snags, then £40 deducted if you cannot get to it that day. And the best - £12/hour for sub contractors. They allow 12 hours for 2nd fix and testing.
It seems they have a high turnover of staff.
Alan.



Best no body works for them. Many seem to be heading for a hourly rate of less than £10.00 a hour .

If this carries on the country will turn and we will have major civil issues.

I honestly believe that if thousands of trades people went to the press and told them about how stupid the set up is and all these private organizations doing very little for the money paid etc . we need a massive change to the way things are done.

Whilst many hate the Eastern Europeans for coming over and "taking the work" i think they did many a favor . we started to get lazy many years ago as a nation. In the mid 80-mid 90's i noticed many seem to take work with a very lazy attitude, time off for golf and talking far too long to complete work. for this we lost a lot of respect from the public.

We need to show we can work hard but we need to be paid well for it.

This is why i admire suppliers etc who open early etc so they can supply guys and let them get on site by 8.30 etc

My local supplier opens at (am on a saturday, no wonder they do not seem to be doing well !) I want to be on the job by then getting stuck in and showing the customer the jobs been done .
 
i used to work with a guy like that paul. he said he was pulling a grand a week and yet when we went on re-wires on a weekend up in the north east he would turn out with only his irizolas and snips. he thought nothing of abusing our power tools though. mid 20`s no kids no tools a grand a week and always skint? he should have been writing books

I am totally sick to the back teeth of people turning up on my jobs and asking to borrow my tools to earn their money. My responses have become increasingly curt. My blood starts to burn when someone sidles up to me and starts a conversation with the dreaded words..'excuse me mate, can i borrow your....' Don't even ASK. I'm gonna get some t-shirts and hoodies made up with this on if it continues. N.O. spells NO. Jog on.
 
Best no body works for them. Many seem to be heading for a hourly rate of less than £10.00 a hour .

I honestly believe that if thousands of trades people went to the press and told them about how stupid the set up is .... .


I asked about the 2nd fix in 12 hours -"that'd be connecting all the faceplates/sockets/pendants etc then?" Reply - "No, the new wires are in, you connect the CU and all ancillaries/sockets etc, then do the testing. Easily done in that time".
I told him it'd take me 3 hours to test properly, and he says his blokes do it in a hour. I said they must be cutting corners, but he insisted it was all done correctly. I cannot see how, but then maybe it is me that is just slow?
Alan.
 
Best no body works for them. Many seem to be heading for a hourly rate of less than £10.00 a hour .

If this carries on the country will turn and we will have major civil issues.

It will £10 an hour and a 8 hour day = £80 mark my words.

You won't get civil issues to many people got into to much debt when there was plenty of money sloshing a round in the system, they never thought it was going to end.

People don't understand this is all engineered to transfer the wealth from the poorer people back to the rich.

Money don't just disappear out of the system the rich take it out, then the banks print more to get more back in the economy to get more people in debt for the same thing to happen again and again.

Been going on for donkeys years and people still believe its just happens for no reason.
 
It will £10 an hour and a 8 hour day = £80 mark my words.

You won't get civil issues to many people got into to much debt when there was plenty of money sloshing a round in the system, they never thought it was going to end.

People don't understand this is all engineered to transfer the wealth from the poorer people back to the rich.

Money don't just disappear out of the system the rich take it out, then the banks print more to get more back in the economy to get more people in debt for the same thing to happen again and again.

Been going on for donkeys years and people still believe its just happens for no reason.

I've said this very thing Tony, not more than a week ago mate.
 
Ken

You know the biggest problem, people can not think for themselves, that's where the word sheeple comes from lol
The thing is mate, we were all a bit complacent back in the golden days of 2006/7. We should of seen what was coming with these toy town courses and domestic installer courses. However, no-one was interested in sounding the alarm, or even that it needed raising. Even the Unions were pre-occupied with the Iraq war and trying to oust Blair. So in a way, we have only ourselves to blame.
 
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