average wage of a sparks in the current climate

[sonobit]

Sad...... but totally true. I heard the same thing said a while ago about pensions - the worst investment you can make. Buying a house - not yours until the last mortgage payment is made, and can be snatched back by them greedy banks at any time before. I rent, and if made redundant, get the rent paid by government. I work in an Independent school, maintenance and part time teaching. It's totally geared towards results. All the parents are interested in is getting their delinquent, spoilt little b'stards into uni with three A's. That's what they pay us stupid amounts to do. T Bliars idea to get 50% degree qualified only serves to water down the qualification, and it becomes almost worthless. Unless teaching becomes more vocational in school and college, this country will have a lot of ideas, but no-one to build them. And the banks debt will never get paid off!

If you are young and have little ties to this country.....RUN! RUN AWAY TO A BETTER LAND.

Thanks to 40 years of bad government, this country is in a bad way, and will need low wages, high tax and hard work to put it's self right again. Best of luck.

Wow glad to hear the expert Finaciers on here have such a great outlook on life in the UK, Where you guys moving to.... let me guess Australia...no US........ China perhaps wow how i envy your new brave life... in theses paradise worlds.

 

[SMB]

Laugh.

Im chuffed to bits that I live in England.

It aint perfect, but ive seen alot worse (I lived in India and Nepal for 11 months).

We are spoilt.

We are lucky.













I bet your not hungry.

 

[funkguppy]

I used to work for Bloomberg. Learnt a lot in my time there about how finance works in this, and other countrys. Teaching has only depressed me as to the point of school. Been to Canada - a forward thinking country which saw all this coming and is now booming. To get in you had to be qualified and have money, or an investor, or entrepreneur - oh, and no criminal record. New Zealand - my sister and brother-in-law just moved out there. Better paid doing the same job, kids straight into school, small class sizes, much better standard of living, and i think you'll find electricians more respected out there. Australia - at least the bloody sun shines. I could go on. Yes this country could, and was, great, and could be again, but not without radical change in government thinking.

Take off your rose tinted glasses and see the reality.

 

[SMB]

okay o blind one.

 

[Paul.M]

Well said SMB. We all moan but if we look at the bigger picture? Without getting into politics, let's look at other countries first then think what we have at home? Yep I'd love to emigrate to Australia later on in life but I'd miss our green grass of home, the country side, fish and chips, the local run down cafe and pubs. We've got a lot wrong with these little islands of ours but we have also got a great deal we should be grateful for. After all who showed the countries listed above how to do business, speak a common language and which country built these other countries? People like us travelling the world on the building sites that are now almost overtaking us in commerce. The planet is a much easier place now to pick a country to live wherever you want. If you don't like it here, move on or get on with it. Rant over.

 

[SMB]

Id better go collect some wood for the fire.

 

[SMB]

It amazes me Paul...

So many people here think they are owed a living.

Moan Moan Moan Etc

Money Money Money Etc


Hat-off to the Polish people who make an effort.






Wake up people.

 

[Paul.M]

It amazes me Paul...

So many people here think they are owed a living.

Moan Moan Moan. Etc

Money Money Money Etc


Hat-off to the Polish people who make an effort.






Wake up people.

I've just added to my last post now that I've seen what was said whilst typing.

 

[kyle12]

Im currently studying Level 2 Electrical Installation, really enjoying the course, allot to take in at first but im gettin the hang of it. My original plan was to go on to an apprenticeship but from what iv heard, iv got no chance, still gonna give it a go though

 

[funkguppy]

Read reply No 123 properly, and you will see that i said this country was, and could be great again, but needs change. Why do you think we are behind so many other country's now. Bad government for too long. Nothing to do with fish and chips, greasy cafe's, rolling pastures, etc. Personally, i prefer sitting in the shade outside a restaurant in Tenerife, eating a beautiful paella, sipping a cheeky Rioja. In case you say "why aren't you out there then"?, well, i'd miss my 5yr old son too much. Hence, if you're young, disillusioned, and have no ties.......voom!

 

[Paul.M]

Ok funkguppy. I think we are saying the same thing but not in the same language. For personal reasons you are not living in another country, I take my hat off to you.

I had a good friend that spent 5 years in the states and all he could say at any opportunity was things like, in the US this was better, that is cheaper, wages are higher, schools are better etc etc etc. Thought you were going down the same road. Gave him the same reply as I did to you.

We do have problems here in the UK but I still think its a great place to live on our little planet of ours. Depends in what you want from your working life and where you would be happier to do it.

 

[Paul.M]

Welcome Kyle12. If you need any help on your course just ask in the general forum and start a new thread, we are happy to help.

 

[sonobit]

I used to work for Bloomberg. Learnt a lot in my time there about how finance works in this, and other countrys. Teaching has only depressed me as to the point of school. Been to Canada - a forward thinking country which saw all this coming and is now booming. To get in you had to be qualified and have money, or an investor, or entrepreneur - oh, and no criminal record. New Zealand - my sister and brother-in-law just moved out there. Better paid doing the same job, kids straight into school, small class sizes, much better standard of living, and i think you'll find electricians more respected out there. Australia - at least the bloody sun shines. I could go on. Yes this country could, and was, great, and could be again, but not without radical change in government thinking.

Take off your rose tinted glasses and see the reality.

Why ever did you come back to this horrible place then as a sparky, after being in finance at Bloomberg then a teacher, and living in canada? answers on a postcard please..

 

[tonys]

I agree to a point , BUT they are only digging a bigger hole for everyone. Imagine the public reading this and thinking, Ok we shall only pay these rates for private domestic work etc !

So its nothing to do with the fact there's an over supply of "Electricians" and people will shop around for the cheapest worker/quote.

Your situated in a very well to do/affluent area of the country and if you were to enter my area or the north of England your be very very lucky to get away with your rates, in fact you wouldn't.

I get the impression people like you who are in work earning a good living do not realize how hard it is for those out of work to get work. Everyone is good at giving advice to those who are either looking for work or working for rates they believe are poor they will ruin it for others who are getting a lot more.

At the end of the day, its not what you think your worth or what you need to earn, its what the punter wants to pay. So like I said its a race to the bottom on the wages front and no-ones indispensable.

 

[LukeD]

So its nothing to do with the fact there's an over supply of "Electricians" and people will shop around for the cheapest worker/quote.

Your situated in a very well to do/affluent area of the country and if you were to enter my area or the north of England your be very very lucky to get away with your rates, in fact you wouldn't.

I get the impression people like you who are in work earning a good living do not realize how hard it is for those out of work to get work. Everyone is good at giving advice to those who are either looking for work or working for rates they believe are poor they will ruin it for others who are getting a lot more.

At the end of the day, its not what you think your worth or what you need to earn, its what the punter wants to pay. So like I said its a race to the bottom on the wages front and no-ones indispensable.

Tony

I could not earn a living from just doing electrics. I am multi trade and specialize on restoration etc . But when i do I charge about 20% less than others . Biggest difference for me is i will work weekends and have a good reputation for trust and work amongst valuable interiors etc . I fully respect the situation around the Uk. But certain guys are cut out for certain jobs and clients.

I know that if i looked at 100 guys to work for me i might find less than 10 that i could work with. We have to fit in with our customers ways and habits . Just been a good electrician is a small part of getting work!

also we have to factor in costs, i would imagine that like for like i would need £200 a week more than if i was working in Derby etc

Costs in London are far higher