BGB 17th Edition, amendment no 1: 2011 for £60 pre order

[paturback]

The DPC has undergone massive changes since the public comment period elapsed and Amendment 1 was 'ratified'.

Fair point

 

[kung]

Welcome to our May eNewsletter​

Tony Cable's frequently asked questionsWhen the First Amendment is introduced I have heard that there are major changes to PIRs, is this true?
Yes, the new regulations will come into force on 1 January, 2012 and among the expected amendments are: the inclusion of a new Electrical Installation Condition Report that replaces the Periodic Inspection Report.
The new reporting system will contain different reporting codes and you can find out more about this in upcoming issues of Connections magazine or by attending NICEIC events in the upcoming months, including NICEIC Live and our First Amendment Workshops.​

Who got this email ?

• Change from PIR to Electrical Installation Condition Report (EICR)
• Selection and erection of wiring systems
• Measures against electromagnetic disturbances
• Protection against electric shock
• Devices for protection against overvoltage
• Operating or maintenance gangways
• Medical locations

 

[IQ Electrical]

I did, why?

 

[kung]

Just wondering whos planning on going on it

 

[Octopus]

Group buy for me too, would rather support the forum than the organisations out there..........even if it costs a little more

Me too, support the Forum

 

[TheBrick]

Hello all, first post but been gleaming information from the forum for a few months. I too would be interested in a group buy. Always keen on supporting forums I am members of too.

 

[rocker]

Hi guys, sorry haven't been paying attention but I'm still on board for a bulk buy.

I do keep hearing that '3 or 4 years isn't too bad' between books - it is! These are expensive books. What was it between the last two? 15 years? I think 3 or 4 years is crazy. Another thing that keeps coming up is there wasn't enough time to add things to the original book - to start with, didn't harmonisation come in well before the book did anyway? And if the IET and the government have some hard on for doing everything Europe does that's THEIR problem not OURS. Though now it is ours, because we're the mugs who have to fork out for it.

If the amendments were kept back because of time constraints then they can't have been that important. So why not wait until after the economy recovers before bringing out a bunch of new documents?

 

[High Tower]

Im in for one too!

 

[kung]

Well said !!!!
Its bad enough if your flooded with work but if your not ! that and the VAT increase and scheme fees etc etc that mixed with the total lack of policing its no wonder some take up unschemed work ! are we the only trade that has this ? do other trades ? yer buy all these books and replace them in a cpl of years ! Save the tree's ! are they making it even harder for the self employed electrician to justify their self employment ? or are they just trying to either make us consider a career change or join the scheme dodgers that most dont have regs etc or are they just helping us ? even £30 IMO is a pee take considering how much it costs to print bs7671 !!!! if we have to work by it and we can prove scheme membership/quals or even just quals eg JIB card then the powers that be should treat us with a bit more fareness and charge a decent price eg £25 is plenty considering its ONLY been out a short time ! or supply it in an exchange with 17th ed regs at a discount ! imagine if your a school leaver and only left school last year ! by the time you replace bs7671 with the new updated one as well as OSG etc that is a tidy expence !
Gripe over !!!!!!!!!!
Yer im up for bulk buy and supporting the forum !

Hi guys, sorry haven't been paying attention but I'm still on board for a bulk buy.

I do keep hearing that '3 or 4 years isn't too bad' between books - it is! These are expensive books. What was it between the last two? 15 years? I think 3 or 4 years is crazy. Another thing that keeps coming up is there wasn't enough time to add things to the original book - to start with, didn't harmonisation come in well before the book did anyway? And if the IET and the government have some hard on for doing everything Europe does that's THEIR problem not OURS. Though now it is ours, because we're the mugs who have to fork out for it.

If the amendments were kept back because of time constraints then they can't have been that important. So why not wait until after the economy recovers before bringing out a bunch of new documents?

 

[johnboy6083]

im up for bulk buy too. its very expensive for those firms/individuals that have a complete collection of 7671, OSG and guidance notes 1-8. i could do wth a copy of 7671 now, cos i wana become scam registered, but im not prepared to fork out for the regs and then replace them in a few months. looks like ill be waiting a while, and enjoying the easy life a liitle longer!

 

[kung]

im up for bulk buy too. its very expensive for those firms/individuals that have a complete collection of 7671, OSG and guidance notes 1-8. i could do wth a copy of 7671 now, cos i wana become scam registered, but im not prepared to fork out for the regs and then replace them in a few months. looks like ill be waiting a while, and enjoying the easy life a liitle longer!

Cant say that i blame you buddy !

 

[TheBrick]

Will the onsite guide and the relevant guidance notes all be updated to include the amendments? Will I have to buy updated versions of this? Got my BS7671 exam coming up soon but hope tobe able to borrow a big red book to avoid buying twice in 6 months but don't want to buy the others twice either if I can avoid it.

I agree with kung, I'm just finishing off my 2230 at the moment but having been involved in other technical environments and published larger documents than the BS7671 myself it seems a cheek to change the full RRP of £80 for what is a document printed out on a laser printer and bound using the cheapest method available, not that I'm hugely bothered by the quality of the printing nd binding used but it takes the **** to be changed £70 and still be given a photo copy!

If safety was and standards were the true concern of the IEEE and BS then documents and specification would be freely or very cheaply available.

Placing barrier in the way of obtaining information on standards are a sure fire way of reducing compliance and in the case of electrical contractors pushing people into unregulated work.

 

[IQ Electrical]

Well said !!!!
Its bad enough if your flooded with work but if your not ! that and the VAT increase and scheme fees etc etc that mixed with the total lack of policing its no wonder some take up unschemed work ! are we the only trade that has this ? do other trades ? yer buy all these books and replace them in a cpl of years ! Save the tree's ! are they making it even harder for the self employed electrician to justify their self employment ? or are they just trying to either make us consider a career change or join the scheme dodgers that most dont have regs etc or are they just helping us ? even £30 IMO is a pee take considering how much it costs to print bs7671 !!!! if we have to work by it and we can prove scheme membership/quals or even just quals eg JIB card then the powers that be should treat us with a bit more fareness and charge a decent price eg £25 is plenty considering its ONLY been out a short time ! or supply it in an exchange with 17th ed regs at a discount ! imagine if your a school leaver and only left school last year ! by the time you replace bs7671 with the new updated one as well as OSG etc that is a tidy expence !
Gripe over !!!!!!!!!!
Yer im up for bulk buy and supporting the forum !

Of course 'other trades don't have this' do you seriously think plumbing and joinery are subject to the technological and safety developments that the electrical industry has to conform to?

And do you think that printing is the major cost contribution and not the hundreds of hours of work by the teams involved in all of the publications affected?

Nobody likes paying out for publications but at least look at the facts (or become a plumber).

 

[kung]

Of course 'other trades don't have this' do you seriously think plumbing and joinery are subject to the technological and safety developments that the electrical industry has to conform to?

And do you think that printing is the major cost contribution and not the hundreds of hours of work by the teams involved in all of the publications affected?

Nobody likes paying out for publications but at least look at the facts (or become a plumber).

Look at what other trades charge ! not much diff from us ! Plus all those hrs ? How many copies will be sold ? imo they will be making loads of profit dont you agree ? so this More than compensates them for what they have been paid to do but id like to think it was Just safety orientated and not including making a mint to boot !

 

[pushrod]

I know where you're coming from with the 'money grabbing' comment but by the time this amendment comes into effect, almost 4 years will have elapsed from the publication of BS 7671:2008.

I don't think that's too bad ...

Not so very bad if you have had it for 4 years but a lot of people will have had to buy this in the last 18 months or less. Personally i think this is another tax and indirectly encouraging non-compliance - at worst there should be big discounts for scam members in the region of 50%