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If being thorough creates doubts, and I seek re-assurance I'll carry on.

Ask a question and be a fool for a minute, don't ask and remain a fool permanently!

Over caution never killed anyone!

If by being thorough you mean barking up the wrong tree then you are certainly doing that, while seeking reassurance on here that you are seeing problems that don't exist how do you reassure the customer that they have chosen someone who is competent to carry out the work they have requested

There are some questions that are asked on here and you WILL remain a fool permanently because you shouldn't need to ask the question if you know what you are doing

I'm sure that there have been times / incidents where being over cautious has resulted in death

Gosh, you've taken a bit of a bashing on this thread haven't you MB! :6:

And your point is what exactly

Too many see the 17th edition as the be all and end all of electrical installation and have an Orwellistic attitude to old installations where old installations / regs are bad new installations / regs are good


Politicians in the past had some notion that there was a skills shortage so they foisted these competent persons scams on us who legitimise these quick training systems and all we have ended up with is the same skills shortage as the shortage of commercial and industrial sparks has not been addressed and the quality and knowledge of what's available in the domestic sector greatly varies skill wise
 
Lets start at the beginning,

I originally asked for a little reassurance on reconnecting a whole house ring main to one 32A RCBO. This has POTENTIAL for nuisance tripping.

If by being thorough you mean barking up the wrong tree then you are certainly doing that, while seeking reassurance on here that you are seeing problems that don't exist how do you reassure the customer that they have chosen someone who is competent to carry out the work they have requested


I don’t believe that I am barking up the wrong tree

I had concerns over connecting the whole house kitchen included onto one 32A RCBO. POTENTIALLY this could result in nuisance tripping at no point did I suggest that it was dangerous.
Unless I am mistaken nuisance tripping on this circuit is not a problem that we can confidently say doesn’t exist.

There are some questions that are asked on here and you WILL remain a fool permanently because you shouldn't need to ask the question if you know what you are doing
This is no such thing as a stupid question, only stupid people who are too frightened to ask questions.
Obviously this is the environment which you would like to engender.

I'm sure that there have been times / incidents where being over cautious has resulted in death


Please enlighten. I am fascinated to learn of too much caution in the electrical industry causing death.


And your point is what exactly
The point is probably that it would be nice if people didn’t read things that aren’t asked. Obviously some of the responders don’t understand plain English and have suddenly decided that because I flagged up a POTENTIAL issue with nuisance tripping, I am somehow suggesting a dangerous installation.
Perhaps it’s time that some of the self righteous know alls got off their high horse read the original post and answered the question in the spirit it was asked.

Too many see the 17th edition as the be all and end all of electrical installation and have an Orwellistic attitude to old installations where old installations / regs are bad new installations / regs are good

Move with the times fellas we are now in the 17[SUP]th[/SUP] Ed era. Stop trying to denigrate it.


Politicians in the past had some notion that there was a skills shortage so they foisted these competent persons scams on us who legitimise these quick training systems and all we have ended up with is the same skills shortage as the shortage of commercial and industrial sparks has not been addressed and the quality and knowledge of what's available in the domestic sector greatly varies skill wise

I spent three years at night school to get my qualifications, including 2391 and picked up some experience along the way working for free. I would have loved to have galvanised my experience by working for someone for a few years before going it alone.

Unfortunately when you are viewed as future competition no one is prepared to give you any help. In the end I decided to go it alone. Its been over two years now and I’m doing very nicely thank you.

I have used this forum to seek advice and guidance not because I don’t know what I am doing but because sometimes I like the reassurance from those more experienced that my thoughts are correct.

I have never suggested or implied any danger in this installation. I do see nuisance tripping as a POTENTIAL issue. If this is my crime then I am guilty.

Hang me.
 
I'm a little puzzled - you want to use RCBO's and then you mention nuisance tripping.

As a spark, by installing a RCBO board you have by passed a lot of the nuisance tripping issues associated with a dual board and thus your job is done.

As for having 1 big socket circuit - well so many installs are like this so move on.
 
Well having followers shouldn't swell your ego postee...I would have thought two isolated circuit breakers would help with a full house load....with a pole for the bathroom
 
I'm a little puzzled - you want to use RCBO's and then you mention nuisance tripping.

As a spark, by installing a RCBO board you have by passed a lot of the nuisance tripping issues associated with a dual board and thus your job is done.

As for having 1 big socket circuit - well so many installs are like this so move on.

Cheers Murdoch,

I have moved on, just felt the burning desire to get things off my chest about righteous dinosaurs trying to belittle posters rather than answer the question asked.

I'm an happy spark who will always advise my customers about potential issues rather than do the job take the money and get away.

Time to mow the lawn then a couple of jars before and during the game tonight.

Enjoy:grin::coolgleamA::grin::smilewinkgrin:
 
Cheers Murdoch,

I have moved on, just felt the burning desire to get things off my chest about VERY EXPERIENCED righteous dinosaurs trying to MAINTAIN STANDARDS and belittle posters rather than answer the question asked.

I'm an happy spark who will always advise my customers about potential issues rather than do the job take the money and get away.

Time to mow the lawn then a couple of jars before and during the game tonight.

Enjoy:grin::coolgleamA::grin::smilewinkgrin:

I've corrected that for you!
 
I've corrected that for you!

Would I be correct in thinking that you belong in that camp then Murdoch.

My standards come from the 17th Edition Wiring Regulations not those who denigrate it and then profess to know everything.

Everyday is a school day!
 
Hi Guys,


Just been to quote for a consumer unit change.


Bonding is good, Zs is good, Seven circuits:


Shower, no problems foreseen.


Cooker, no problems foreseen.


All Sockets main house on one Ring, I am not comfortable with one 32A RCBO protecting sockets in kitchen, upstairs and downstairs (20 in total). I have advised that at least the kitchen needs to be on its own circuit.


Garage conversion separate Ring, no problems foreseen.


All lights main house on one radial (7 in total), obviously not upto current regs but not an issue in terms of load.


Garage conversion lights, no problems foreseen.


Alarm same circuit, no problems foreseen.


Unfortunately couple don’t want to pay for the extra work or disturb the decorative state. Replacing the current re-wirable bakerlite board with a fully populated RCBO board would obviously make the whole installation much safer.


Would I be wrong to connect the main house ring to the new board as it stands?


Comments/advice would be much appreciated.


Cheers


Being picky here so Zs is good on all circuits or did you mean Ze on incomming
 
LSD some will get this some won't lol

Took it once, 21 years ago at Glastonbury... didn't really feel anything happening so took another one.... felt it happening.... didn't like it.......hid behind a tree for 3 hours :crazy::crazy:!!! Never tried it again, just the odd real ale for me now!
 
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