Board Change

[Octopus]

Would I be correct in thinking that you belong in that camp then Murdoch.

My standards come from the 17th Edition Wiring Regulations not those who denigrate it and then profess to know everything.

Everyday is a school day!

No not in any camp. Just pointing out that before the 17th, were the 16th, before the 16th were the 15th......

The 17th isn't where the story began.....

 

[UNG]

Lets start at the beginning,

I originally asked for a little reassurance on reconnecting a whole house ring main to one 32A RCBO. This has POTENTIAL for nuisance tripping.

As did whatever was previously installed

I don’t believe that I am barking up the wrong tree

I had concerns over connecting the whole house kitchen included onto one 32A RCBO. POTENTIALLY this could result in nuisance tripping at no point did I suggest that it was dangerous.

At no point in your OP did you mention nuisance tripping all that was mentioned was splitting a circuit which can only be assumed you are seeing some danger in the existing set up

Unless I am mistaken nuisance tripping on this circuit is not a problem that we can confidently say doesn’t exist.

This could be said of most circuits add up all the values of all the MCB's / RCBO's / fuses in your average consumer unit and you find the 80A / 100A DNO fuse could cause nuisance failure

I'm sure when diversity is mentioned some think it's that dance group who won BGT

This is no such thing as a stupid question, only stupid people who are too frightened to ask questions.
Obviously this is the environment which you would like to engender.

There are questions and then there are questions

The point is probably that it would be nice if people didn’t read things that aren’t asked. Obviously some of the responders don’t understand plain English and have suddenly decided that because I flagged up a POTENTIAL issue with nuisance tripping, I am somehow suggesting a dangerous installation.
Perhaps it’s time that some of the self righteous know alls got off their high horse read the original post and answered the question in the spirit it was asked.

Read your own OP below then tell me where in that post you flagged up a nuisance tripping issue

Hi Guys,

Just been to quote for a consumer unit change.

Bonding is good, Zs is good, Seven circuits:

Shower, no problems foreseen.

Cooker, no problems foreseen.

All Sockets main house on one Ring, I am not comfortable with one 32A RCBO protecting sockets in kitchen, upstairs and downstairs (20 in total). I have advised that at least the kitchen needs to be on its own circuit.

Garage conversion separate Ring, no problems foreseen.

All lights main house on one radial (7 in total), obviously not upto current regs but not an issue in terms of load.

Garage conversion lights, no problems foreseen.

Alarm same circuit, no problems foreseen.

Unfortunately couple don’t want to pay for the extra work or disturb the decorative state. Replacing the current re-wirable bakerlite board with a fully populated RCBO board would obviously make the whole installation much safer.

Would I be wrong to connect the main house ring to the new board as it stands?

Comments/advice would be much appreciated.

Cheers

Move with the times fellas we are now in the 17[SUP]th[/SUP] Ed era. Stop trying to denigrate it.

So you are the Orwellian I think you will find more installations in this country that comply with earlier versions of the regs that still properly function and are perfectly safe for continued use than you will find 17th edition installations
This is this worst aspect of the 17th edition and todays training that anything other than a 17th edition installation is wrong and must be replaced

I spent three years at night school to get my qualifications, including 2391 and picked up some experience along the way working for free. I would have loved to have galvanised my experience by working for someone for a few years before going it alone.

Unfortunately when you are viewed as future competition no one is prepared to give you any help. In the end I decided to go it alone. Its been over two years now and I’m doing very nicely thank you.

I have used this forum to seek advice and guidance not because I don’t know what I am doing but because sometimes I like the reassurance from those more experienced that my thoughts are correct.

I have never suggested or implied any danger in this installation. I do see nuisance tripping as a POTENTIAL issue. If this is my crime then I am guilty.

Hang me.

There is no problem seeking advice but the wording of your OP leaves you open interpretation and some subsequent posts show some fundamental knowledge is lacking

I suggest you read your OP again as you did not offer any explaination as to your reason for splitting the RFC hence the flack you have received and assumuptions have been made
I would have thought that a simple question to the customer and / or pulling the circuit fuse if it's a rewireable would have given you the answer as to the nuisance tripping in the past

 

[Geordie Spark]

Gosh, you've taken a bit of a bashing on this thread haven't you MB! :6:

Anyway, some of the guys who have responded really do have a huge amount of experience so try and stay cool and listen to them.

The thread by Murdoch giving you a link to the 'best practice guide number 2 - Consumer unit replacement n domestic and similar premises' is definitely worth reading as it will answer most of the questions which have been raised in this thread. Best Practice Guides - Electrical Safety First

As others have said, it is common to have one ring (I do) and one circuit for the lights (again I do). I wouldn't install a new build like this but its not going to be dangerous and you certainly shouldn't be telling a customer that it needs to be brought up to current wiring regulations before a board change as that is not true.

Good luck... and read the best practice guide(s)!! :smiley2:

Aye, we thought we'd give you a break for a couple of days.

 

[telectrix]

tha's slipping geordie. tha' needs a lesson from glennspark.

 

[GMES]

Aye, we thought we'd give you a break for a couple of days.

who you are naughty , but i like you

 

[Geordie Spark]

Z's in plural (ie:both Ze and Zs). apologies for missing the apostrophe.

It's a shame that your reduced to picking up my grammar now.

I didn't know she had fallen.

 

[Guest77]

PMSL haha

 

[telectrix]

like when the sally army called. "we're collecting to save fallen women" "well, save one for me" i said.

 

[GMES]

Watch out Geordie is on form tonight

 

[UNG]

Cheers Murdoch,

I have moved on, just felt the burning desire to get things off my chest about about VERY EXPERIENCED righteous dinosaurs trying to MAINTAIN STANDARDS trying to belittle posters rather than answer the question asked.

I'm an happy spark who will always advise my customers about potential issues that probably don't exist rather than do the job take the money and get away.

Time to mow the lawn then a couple of jars before and during the game tonight.

Enjoy:coolgleamA::smilewinkgrin:

I've corrected that for you!

Now it's right

Would I be correct in thinking that you belong in that camp then Murdoch.

My standards come from the 17th Edition Wiring Regulations not those who denigrate it and then profess to know everything.

Everyday is a school day!

Your right as the trade evolves you keep learning that doesn't mean that you forget or don't learn about what went before so you can make an informed decision about an installation. I trained and worked under the 14th edition regs for about 15 years at the time I had a little knowledge of the 12th and 13th edition regs so when I did inspections I could identify to what edition of the regs the premises was wired to just because they didn't meet the 14th edition didn't mean they where unsafe, oh how things have changed with the current regs and the jobsworth attitude of some if ain't to the 17th it's wrong

 

[nickblake]

Z's in plural (ie:both Ze and Zs). apologies for missing the apostrophe.

It's a shame that your reduced to picking up my grammar now.

Wasn't picking up on your grammar, first thing i do be fore a consumer unit change is to check the Ze just wanted a confirmation ,as for the rest of your post change the board and any recommendations stick them on the certificate simple as that, and of course check the bonding

 

[tidyboiler]

PMSL haha

Oh don't encourage him ffs!!!! I have to deal with him tomorrow!! :dita:

 

[Geordie Spark]

Oh don't encourage him ffs!!!! I have to deal with him tomorrow!! :dita:

Now THAT is something I'm looking forward to!! :ihih:

 

[telectrix]

randy old git.:shades_smile:

 

[Geordie Spark]

randy old git.:shades_smile:

She certainly is!

 

[tidyboiler]

She certainly is!

I'm not old!!!!....:ihih:

 

[davesparks]

Would I be correct in thinking that you belong in that camp then Murdoch.

My standards come from the 17th Edition Wiring Regulations not those who denigrate it and then profess to know everything.

Everyday is a school day!

BS7671 is a non-statutory document which should at best be considered to be a guide to the minimum acceptable standard for design and installation.
It is full of mistakes, grey areas and contradictions, hardly inspiring as a standard is it?

Have a read of some of the older editions of the wiring regulations, you'll see how things have deteriorated. Even the first edition makes a damn sight more sense than some of what we have to deal with now!

 

[Engineer54]

Originally Posted by MBEINST
Would I be correct in thinking that you belong in that camp then Murdoch.

My standards come from the 17th Edition Wiring Regulations not those who denigrate it and then profess to know everything.

Everyday is a school day!

So what in fact you are saying is, ....that you are someone that can only provide an installation if you have the numbers to follow, right?? lol!!

 

[Engineer54]

BS7671 is a non-statutory document which should at best be considered to be a guide to the minimum acceptable standard for design and installation.
It is full of mistakes, grey areas and contradictions, hardly inspiring as a standard is it?

Have a read of some of the older editions of the wiring regulations, you'll see how things have deteriorated. Even the first edition makes a damn sight more sense than some of what we have to deal with now!

Said it before and i'll say it again, pass the whole kit and caboodle of BS7671 over to CIBSE, i'm dammed sure they will make a far better job of it all round!!

 

[telectrix]

i think this Electrical Trainee bashing has to stop. pretty soon the politically correct brigade will get on the case and allow them to marry each other.

 

[telectrix]

well i see some of you got the point. can't explain further or i'll have gay rights knocking on the door.

 

[Geordie Spark]

So what in fact you are saying is, ....that you are someone that can only provide an installation if you have the numbers to follow, right?? lol!!

From the old Painting by Numbers to Sparking by Numbers???? ............. I like it!

 

[Geordie Spark]

Oh don't encourage him ffs!!!! I have to deal with him tomorrow!! :dita:

What's this new avatar all about pet.

Has your sexy eyes avatar gone to look for the Tidyboiler knickers avatar that you lost???

It's unbelievable ... even on an internet forum you managed to lose your knickers!!! :rolleyes2:

 

[tidyboiler]

What's this new avatar all about pet.

Has your sexy eyes avatar gone to look for the Tidyboiler knickers avatar that you lost???

It's unbelievable ... even on an internet forum you managed to lose your knickers!!! :rolleyes2:

I have asked marvo to find them for me. :6:

 

[telectrix]

with the present nor'westerley, they should reach SA by sunday