bonding to water pipe.

[paddyc3112]

I have recently done an EICR test on a flat. The only issue being that the water pipe is not bonded at the stop cock. The stop cock itself is located just outside the flat front door in a service cupboard - the trouble is the pipes are all plastic in the service cupboard and under the floor into the flat.
It seems to be that all pipe on show is plastic, the only copper pipe I have found is in the water tank cupboard which is nowhere near the point of entry or the stop cock and is permanently screwed shut.

My question is where should I bond it?

 

[Geordie Spark]

and sometimes its just bloody chronic...

I think there's an element of masochism about it.

 

[Geordie Spark]

Yeah that old dude very knowledgeable.

I still think its wrong that things like that get posted on youtube though.

I understand your point, but to even attempt these tests you need an MFT or separate instruments and there are not many DIYers have them.

On the other hand, I think it's easier for us to post a link to these Youtube clips on here than get involved in endless dialogue trying to explain things via the written word.

 

[Silly Sausage]

I think there's an element of masochism about it.

Definitely for some members! :crazy:

 

[Geordie Spark]

Definitely for some members! :crazy:

Sticks and stones may break my bones but whips and chains excite me.

 

[MDJ]

Sticks and stones may break my bones but whips and chains excite me.

PMSL Hilarious

 

[Badged01]

Sticks and stones may break my bones but whips and chains excite me.

I bet you say that to all the girls .......

 

[Scornio]

You'd think it's a job for people to keep visiting this forum, then give cynical remarks for them and their chums to snigger at.
Talking about driving the under experienced under ground; I now reply via private messaging to those who obviously need direction.

 

[MDJ]

I bet you say that to all the girls .......

I bet he does as well.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

You'd think it's a job for people to keep visiting this forum, then give cynical remarks for them and their chums to snigger at.
Talking about driving the under experienced under ground; I now reply via private messaging to those who obviously need direction.

On some occasions you have a point.
But on this one we have an EICR being carried out by someone who has to ask where the water should be bonded. A first requirement of EICR's is competance and experience.Everbody who carries out EICR's will sometimes come up against something they are unsure of,but those properly qualified to carry them out will refer to the BGB/onsite guide etc for guidance. If someone has to ask something as basic as where to bond the water quite frankly their report isn't going to be worth the paper it is written on.
All of which furthers the impression a lot of people have,namely that EICR's are going the same way as PAT testing....Easy money.

 

[Geordie Spark]

You'd think it's a job for people to keep visiting this forum, then give cynical remarks for them and their chums to snigger at.
Talking about driving the under experienced under ground; I now reply via private messaging to those who obviously need direction.

Good lad!

Keep up the good work.

 

[Scornio]

I actually agree 'wire puller' so I suppose disagreement settled.
My gripe is at those one line statements that produce nothing productive.
I view the forum, I see naive, and head down hopes of learning meet with a pack of hyenas.
If it's the same shi^ different day, then do the majority a favour and fuc^ off and respond with useful posts in which you want to partake in.
I only ever seem to public post now when I'm at logger heads with somebody. Not a great rapport.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

I actually agree 'wire puller' so I suppose disagreement settled.
My gripe is at those one line statements that produce nothing productive.
I view the forum, I see naive, and head down hopes of learning meet with a pack of hyenas.
If it's the same shi^ different day, then do the majority a favour and fuc^ off and respond with useful posts in which you want to partake in.
I only ever seem to public post now when I'm at logger heads with somebody. Not a great rapport.

I suppose it depends on the mood some of us old hands are in....sometimes I come over all helpful,and sometimes it's hard not to give pelters to another ,'RCD trips after CU change but all tests are fine and it's definately all connected properly' threads. Some of the posters ask for it TBH,but equally some dont deserve it.
I think if a poster is completely honest about their experience, qualifications and ability it would help a lot. It can be hard not to bite when they big themself up and then ask a really basic question.

 

[guest119]

You'd think it's a job for people to keep visiting this forum, then give cynical remarks for them and their chums to snigger at.
Talking about driving the under experienced under ground; I now reply via private messaging to those who obviously need direction.

I know there was talk some time ago regarding the legal implications of advice given in the diy section and I wonder if there is a problem here also with "private tutoring "?


Boydy

 

[Jay Sparks]

Any advice/information is freely accessible on the internet. You just have to Google stuff and there is normally several answers. I agree with you that some information in the wrong hands is dangerous to say the least but if the info is correct, then its up to the person reading and interpreting it to take responsibility. But there are some bad questions on here and I just choose to ignore them. You can lead a horse to water....but if it takes a ---- or a ---- instead of drinking......what can you do????lol

Jay

 

[Scornio]

Again 'wire puller ' another valid point. I agree to the utmost.
Boydy, I think you missed the point a little. Jay sparks, I think sums it up with a great statement. The sentence was to emphasise how through such behaviour can heighten those risks of inexperienced teaching the inexperienced.

 

[paddyc3112]

Full of the useful comments aren't you MDJ

 

[MDJ]

Full of the useful comments aren't you MDJ

Yup, I am trying to overtake Biff as the forum Troll, however he is 20 leagues above me and I am struggling to make an impact in that particular area :smilielol5:regarding your OP, come on your winding us up surely?????? some of the top Professional electricians on this site haven't seen this thread yet, I hope for your sake they don't, if I annoy you wait until you get slaughtered by them lol

 

[GLENNSPARK]

OK...

well, i`v kept myself out of this :biggrin:

 

[shanky887614]

Ive been told by boss before now to bond main.

Cut plastic after stopcock.

Insert stub of copper then back to plastic and bond to that

 

[GLENNSPARK]

so...to the OP:

do you consider yourself competant to carry out ECRs...or in other words cast judgement on works your being employed to inspect?

caus if you dont know if bonding is required...or not...and where to bond then its shameful that you think you can take cash for this..

its incompetancy...simple as that.

there:....2 in as many days.

 

[Badged01]

.... its incompetancy...simple as that. there:....2 in as many days.

Careful or you'll be putting the scheme inspectors out of a job :clap: And dont forget the ones that get thro are the 'cream' of those that apply ...... you should see some of the ones that dont even get thro the 1st cut!!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Careful or you'll be putting the scheme inspectors out of a job :clap: And dont forget the ones that get thro are the 'cream' of those that apply ...... you should see some of the ones that dont even get thro the 1st cut!!

i really wouldn`t mind...but its the opening statements of these threads that starts me off...

usually in the form of:

`im an electrician....got a 13kW shower...will the existing 6mm cable do it?`

or other stuff such as:

`hi...just on an EICR....found metal lighting with no earth...but the switches are plastic...is it OK?`

and the endless RCD tripping after board change rubbish, SWA:..how to supply garage/shed feeds, RCDs in series, earthing, bonding, `earth bonding` threads...

all stuff they should know if carrying out the work....

shameful....

 

[MDJ]

Ive been told by boss before now to bond main.

Cut plastic after stopcock.

Insert stub of copper then back to plastic and bond to that

Well I assume you don't want me to comment about your boss? lol, what a total plonker

 

[Guest55]

If it's the same shi^ different day, then do the majority a favour and fuc^ off and respond with useful posts in which you want to partake in.

you assume , incorrectly , that the forums sole purpose is of an educational crutch to fill in the bus sized knowledge gaps of many members whom contribute absolutely zero other than wanting a free ride or answers on a plate.
for many regulars this site serves a social function , like a staff canteen , to unwind and talk shop , not to bail out the clueless whom have no business picking up a screwdriver to begin with.
theres other methods to learn your trade without resorting to forums so why should we "fuc^ off" ?
people are mean , lifes cruel , and the worlds unfair.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

you assume , incorrectly , that the forums sole purpose is of an educational crutch to fill in the bus sized knowledge gaps of many members whom contribute absolutely zero other than wanting a free ride or answers on a plate.
for many regulars this site serves a social function , like a staff canteen , to unwind and talk shop , not to bail out the clueless whom have no business picking up a screwdriver to begin with.
theres other methods to learn your trade without resorting to forums so why should we "fuc^ off" ?
people are mean , lifes cruel , and the worlds unfair.

i try not to be...i really do...but i just cant cope very well when i have gone through the appropriate channels to arrive where i am now....so far....

and then like you says theres Electrical Trainee (i dont care..the majority of these stupid, ill informed, badly thought out posts are) coming in here asking tripe...

we all know the reasons for this....and we all know what the solutions would be...