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[ezzzekiel]

Oh I see just ignore 7.2.1 and 7.2.2 and any other inconvenient regs.

Its not the regulations I'm ignoring

 

[andyb]

Oh I see just ignore 7.2.1 and 7.2.2 and any other inconvenient regs.

Nobody's ignoring any reg's, (although these are not reg's but the ECA guidelines) the guide does not stop at 7.2.2 it goes on. funnily enough 7.2.3 follows then 7.2.4 then 7.2.5

Now, where you might be struggling oxocube is 7.2.5 where a certain amount of competence & experience is required to carry out a risk assessment to ascertain whether the consumer unit change can still go ahead. And you are right to stop at 7.2.2 if you feel you are not suitable qualified.

 

[IQ Electrical]

Oxocube is crumbling, foiled again, he must take stock of everything above...

I'll get my coat...

 

[topquark]

Groan

 

[telectrix]

just have to hope arsenal win one soon.

 

[oxocube]

where you might be struggling oxocube is 7.2.5 where a certain amount of competence & experience is required to carry out a risk assessment to ascertain whether the consumer unit change can still go ahead. And you are right to stop at 7.2.2 if you feel you are not suitable qualified.

When the insults start I know I've touched a nerve.

If any of you care to read the esc guidance (with an open mind) it is quite clear you should carry out steps 7.2.1 and 7.2.2 before you do anything else.

And how are you going to carry out a risk assessment if you ignore 7.2.1 and 7.2.2.

 

[IQ Electrical]

Oxocube, please don't take my comments as an insult, it's not my style, it was purely (poor) humour...

 

[telectrix]

in the time it's taken to read this thread, i could have rewired the whole lighting, up and down, and still been in the pub for lunch.

 

[ezzzekiel]

Now, where you might be struggling oxocube is 7.2.5 where a certain amount of competence & experience is required

so if you pay attention to the advise given above and by all other members, backed up by recomendations from Eca Napit Niceic Elecsa i think we can safely go with the majority and put this one to bed again

 

[telectrix]

Oxocube, please don't take my comments as an insult, it's not my style, it was purely (poor) humour...

well, i thought it was quite witty.

 

[andyb]

When the insults start I know I've touched a nerve.

If any of you care to read the esc guidance (with an open mind) it is quite clear you should carry out steps 7.2.1 and 7.2.2 before you do anything else.

And how are you going to carry out a risk assessment if you ignore 7.2.1 and 7.2.2.

oxocube it's you who is not reading the guidance notes with an open mind.

Of course you carry out steps 7.2.1 & 7.2.2, how else would you get to 7.2.3/4/5 (this is what I said in my last post)

Let me paraphrase the guidance for you.

7.2.1 Preferable carry out a PIR
7.2.2 Customer refuses, pre work survey.
7.2.3 Any immediate or potential danger, inform the customer that remedial work is required
7.2.4 Explain that said remedial work could be expensive and/or messy
7.2.5 If customer not prepared for that but still wants consumer unit change then a risk assessment must be carried.

The ESC advice is that combining both circuits on one mcb thus making 1 circuit is an acceptable method. (once again subject to a risk assessment)

I know that you will not accept this because you haven't so far. That's fine, but could you please just say that you personally would not do this for your own reasons and stop saying that the ESC, most other electricians on this forum and the electrical industry generally are wrong.

One more thing, please do not play the insult card when on your first post on this thread you implied that all those who disagree with you are not professional sparks, then in a later post said that people who argue with you are aggressive and incapable of accepting a different point of view.

 

[telectrix]

if ony carling made the regs.............

 

[jordachus]

You cannot foresee it all. .... you never know what might occur : what if his two grand american fridge freezer and his brand spanking new washing machine trips the rcd?....
We can only take the most viable approach - do a few basic pre-tests , get the job , change the C/U then complete a full test . If the customer refuses to pay- place in departures .

 

[Mr Mike]

if ony carling made the regs.............

Have you borrowed the above fron Carlsberg....... I'll get my coat too.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

if ony carling made the regs.............

If only this forum made the regs......:sifone: