Brexit fallout

[Octopus]

The EU was all about protectionism for the French farmers..... and whilst this may seen sensible, having high trade tariffs on African food means these poor countries are priced out of selling their produce to the EU.... so their peoples come here instead.

Better to buy their produce and help their countries to develop and flourish.

 

[Midwest]

The link you provide Mid' is an article from the New York Times, now in the light that the majority of Americans don't actually understand our relationship with the EU and what has happened with our Brexit then with all respect I'll take the article with a pich of salt, even the President who butt licked Cameron as a favour didn't understand how we and the EU worked, therefore there input and comments have little bearing and all you need to do to clarify this is watch some Fox news snippets as apparently we have just left the UN.... its cringe worthy watching them trying to have intelligent discussions on American TV when some guests think we have left Europe too, let them stick to their own issues like that muppet Trump.

I just plucked that from a whole load of them. Hopefully, by the time Labour & Tories have picked a new leader, the rest of the world will be more worried by the forthcoming US Presidential election.

 

[silverfox1]

How do I feel now after Brexit, frustrated, annoyed, angry all spring to mind as our Machiavellian self serving, egotistical politicians do everything they can to keep us in the EU even after the leave vote. I feel betrayed by the conservative led leave EU campaign with Boris being shafted and obvious positioning of various politicians looking to get the best out of the situation for themselves with no regard for public opinion, talk of not invoking Article 50 until 2017 from Gove and May being backed to replace Cameron, what a shambles.
Cameron promised to honour a leave vote and invoke Article 50 but as usual from our leading politicians this was another lie, by resigning he has created a power struggle within the conservative party which is causing a distraction and the agenda they should really be concentrating on is being pushed back and delayed giving the pro remain time to regroup and install May as prime minister which in my opinion would be a disaster for the Brexit negotiations.


Meanwhile there are countries queuing up to do trade deals with the UK and even the EU are softening their stance on the Brexit negotiations.


I am still optimistic for our future if only the clowns at Westminster can get their act together and get the deal done.

 

[Midwest]

I think to compare the outcome of a referendum to that of a general election is like comparing chalk and cheese.

The whole result was really down to how you gathered the information to make that informed or not so informed decision on which way to vote as non of the mainstream debates really delivered answers

Think too much deference is given to the general publics understanding of politics, me included. Whilst I agree the debate and ideals between a GE & the simple question asked in the referendum, you can guarantee the deliberation process will be the same. Unless your Professor of Politics at the Astute University for Cunning, your chosen method will enviably be the same. From listening to the debates and making the logical judgement, all the way down to favourite coloured shirts or tokens in the tipping hat.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Where's Walley.

 

[Midwest]

Cameron promised to honour a leave vote and invoke Article 50 but as usual from our leading politicians this was another lie, by resigning he has created a power struggle within the conservative party which is causing a distraction and the agenda they should really be concentrating on is being pushed back and delayed giving the pro remain time to regroup and install May as prime minister which in my opinion would be a disaster for the Brexit negotiations.

I don't blame him for leaving someone else to conduct the negotiations. He campaigned to remain, and we voted to leave. If he conducted the negotiations, whatever the outcome, he would of been accused of fudging it.

PS, don't know what happened to the quote?

 

[Octopus]

I am still optimistic for our future if only the clowns at Westminster can get their act together and get the deal done.

Is that all 650 or just most of them?

 

[ruston]

Is that all 650 or just most of them?

The future ones too. Good ones are few and far between.

 

[Octopus]

The future ones too. Good ones are few and far between.

Agree 100%

For me MP's need to have lived in the Constituency for a minimum of 10 years and have at least 20 years work experience in the private sector.

I would go as far as to say, that existing MP's that don't meet the above criteria, should not be allowed to stand again.

There are far too many, in all parties, with little or no real experience of how we all live.

 

[ruston]

We have always had local MPs around our area , in the Labour Party anyway. (I can't vouch for the others)
I have to be honest though , I have never voted for any of them.
I have never had any confidence in them.

 

[Midwest]

Agree 100%

For me MP's need to have lived in the Constituency for a minimum of 10 years and have at least 20 years work experience in the private sector.

I would go as far as to say, that existing MP's that don't meet the above criteria, should not be allowed to stand again.

There are far too many, in all parties, with little or no real experience of how we all live.

Think Screaming Lord Sutch might have qualified then.

 

[silverfox1]

Is that all 650 or just most of them?

Most of them, there must be a few good one's amongst them, trouble is party whips pressurising them and such.

Must admit I am pretty disillusioned with British politics after this debacle.

Just read the Telegraph pulled an article about May after pressure from her campaign.

It can still be read here, not sure how long for though.

Theresa May is a great self-promoter, but a terrible Home Secretary

 

[andyb]

What you can expect from a general election is difficult to research as you are comparing a load of promises with no substance that soon turn into lies,

So no difference then.

Vote Leave
An extra £350 million a week to spend on the NHS across the UK
Tough immigration controls

Remain
Emergency budget

Both Sides
Immediate post-referendum negotiations

 

[andyb]

This make sense.

http://thebrexitplan.com/

 

[Midwest]

This make sense.

http://thebrexitplan.com/

Can't see anybody not 'Like' that.

 

[Adam W]

An extra £350 million a week to spend on the NHS across the UK

The idea of more money for nurses sounds lovely, and is a sure vote winner, but you have to consider exactly how that money is going to be spent - if you throw a load of money at the NHS it doesn't automatically mean an improvement in the food, super-fast free wifi in all wards or a reduction in waiting times, you won't be able to call an ambulance to go and do your shopping, or turn up at A&E for a free haircut, the money could all be creamed off the top by managers and bureaucrats, it could be spent on IT systems, maintenance contracts, staffing agencies or handing out free gluten-free food on prescription.

It's not that I don't think healthcare is important, but improving the NHS runs deeper than throwing money at it. It's been proven before that increasing the health budget doesn't necessarily mean improvements to service quality, so with that in mind it would make more sense to fund the improvements through streamlining, and spend some of the money saved by ditching the EU on something else.