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right here we go. i changed my c/u at home for a assessment with elecsa (week today). The housing association wasnt happy about me changing the board but since i'd already ripped the old one off the wall before i told them they agreed that as long as it was cert'd with in 30day period it was fine. before i ripped the old C/U out i did a fill inspection and all reading came back fine.......now the problem.....when i came to test the installation today on the sockets (ring) i was gettin a reading (open loops) of 0.32 and 0.34 L1 and Ln......then on the CPC i can getting open loop (no reading).

so...i borrowed a long lead from a friend and connected it to cpc and have found out that there is a brake in the CPC between two sockets (one in the bedroom and the other at the bottom of the stairs) which means a full chase from the socket up the wall to ceiling then through the ceiling under the floor to the socket. which i dont mind doing since i could use it for the assessment as minor works. but when i phoned the housing association they wouldnt give me permission to do the work i wasnt already part P registered...they then contacted there sparky to see when he could come out and sort the problem out, he said he'll be out in a week to sort it (the day of my assessment) and that it is fine to use the sockets in the house they are safe! HOW CAN THEY BE IF THE CPC ISNT PROTECTING PROPERLY? and what kind of electrician can say something is safe and fine to use without looking let alone testing? i wouldnt put my name to anything if i didnt know. and a week is a bit too long. im thinking of just doing the work myself and then if i get in with Elecsa then go into the housing office with the cert and kick off with them. ( some of the sockets have been replaced in the house and cables needed extending the electrician they ave used in the past has just put both lives in 40A connector blocks then run a 6mm cable out the other end of the block. its a joke. To top it off the woman that lives next door over heard me talking about the electrics and informed me that she has 3 double sockets in her house that done work and that its been reported 4times over 2months. WHAT THE HELLS GOING ON!!!! do they think electrics a toy or to be played with or ignored??? if an electric circuit has been designed for a use and demand and it is not working properly then yes is can be dangerous and unsafe and should be looked into ASAP not left.


please correct me if im wrong im not trying to get any ones back up but to me its unsafe and the landloard is not complying with his duties. do you think i'm reading too much into this? am i wrong? should i just do the work?
 
if you changed the c/u then you should be prepared/able to rectify faults, otherwise you shouldnt of changed it in the first place


yes i am able to sort this problem out. and i am going so. but my point to it was gettin the green light from the housing association this house is a can of warms.....cable after cable is extended on connector blocks...(which is the fault) ive even found sockets in the house to have the lives of the ring put into a connector block and then extended with a single 6mm cable

point is how much of your own money do you spend sorting out a house someone else owns? when they should do repairs but i know they will never turn up to do it.
 
Guys: Maybe i'm being dense but if a full Pre-change installation test was done, how was an o/c CPC missed ?


how does anything brake if it worked fine before it broke? like i said all the circuits hvbe been extended at some point with connector blocks and J/B's.

the wiring is that old that in places we still have aluminium conductors!
 
point is how much of your own money do you spend sorting out a house someone else owns? when they should do repairs but i know they will never turn up to do it.

none mate,if the house is that bad,i wouldnt even pay them rent,but theres 2 sides to a story.id have thought the heating and mould would be the priority not replacing the cu
 
ive sealed the mould in with PVC and and keep trying with the heating. the only reason ive changed the cu is for an assessment.

people on here seem to be jumping on my back saying im not competent to do the work but i think its all down to the fact i dont speak in sparky lingo or explain my actions the right way.

the only issue ive got with the house and the work i need to do is.... permission...time and money (im on the dole at the moment)

so if i'm giving people the wrong impression about me because i dont explain things then i apologise.
 
how does anything brake if it worked fine before it broke? like i said all the circuits hvbe been extended at some point with connector blocks and J/B's.

the wiring is that old that in places we still have aluminium conductors!
Looks like your stuck with correcting the problem circuit, good luck with the assesment with all the issues you say are present, the inspector will love finding all this after a cu change, you say aluminium conductors present.
Does this mean rubber cables are present also or that you have not seen tinned copper before ?
 
oh i never thought of tinned copper (never seen it also).

i did a pre check. ring open loops then cross connections measuring at sockets
lighting every point operating switches to prove polarity

the insulation resistance test was done at the board.

to correct this problem just means running a new leg down which can be used at minor works.
 
i know i dont own it. that why i have to ask, i know it now termination, ive took the face plate off the tested between the sockets. i dont know why its broke. i only did continuity test when i found the fault
exept you didn`t did you......ask that is before undertaking ANY work...(well thats asking the person ordering the test or any other interested parties) neither of which feature here as..

1) They didn`t order the test
2) They certainly dont seem like they would have been interested in this little venture of yours either
You can be sure however....that they will surely be interested in your activities now (on what is their property)......lucky it wasn`t me you were renting off mate.......i would have had you prosicuted for tampering with something that had nothing whatsoever to do with you.....if the install was unsafe before you decided to play about with it....how do you go about proving that now.......that coupled with the fashion of your posts that dare to suggest that your a victim here....your arrogance is breathtaking.....
 
he claims 2330 level 2 and three......i doubt this claim...i have been wrong of course....he also claims to hold the 17th edition....so what?....still cant find his way around a ring final though can he.......the point i am making is that he used someone elses property to experiment/use as a demo....whatever he wants to call it.....whilst not having the owner/s permission (this was granted posthumously dont forget).....now issues with the cpc in the ring final but no way to prove that this situation existed before....i mean what happened to testing and pir BEFORE a board change? And that`s assuming the O/P gained the relevent go-ahaid first.......if there are issues with this property (mould, heating etc) then there are proper channels to go down....certainly not this caper we have here.....this guy`s lucky the housing assotiation in question hasn`t taken him to court (as they could rightfully do).....but if its going to cost him ÂŁ500 in lost part p cash....then so be it....an expensive mistake to make but i dont see why an unourthorised/unapproved "install" should be accepted....not when others have to go by the rules........
 

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