c2 or c3

[markc123]

I have just tested a local 5star hotel 90 beds.

No rcd protection at all, I rated it c3 as it dosnt comply due to alterations a couple years back. There Is no danger present whatsoever as will be proved on visual inspection & test results. There is no way this should be a c2.

There was a fuse spare in a bathroom close to the shower
I rated this c2, as this could cause danger from water jets.

And lastly my only c1 was a polarity reverse as there is danger present.

One of the lads on our site (spark) was saying something the other day about a loose connection and he said its alright though the Rcd will get it won't it.....some people need to learn what the rcd is there for

No way it should be a C2? Going by what the OP has said, it was done 6months ago - therefore it has to comply with 17th, otherwise whats the point in the regs, therefore its unsatisfactory whether there is a danger present or not in my eyes.

Loose connections warrant a C2 in my eyes aswell.

 

[p11jor]

Here's another one I had a few years back, got sent for a remedial after a PIR

A SINGLE socket next to the CU was a 2.5mm radial but got graded as a code 1 as it had a 32amp breaker protecting it.....

 

[p11jor]

No way it should be a C2? Going by what the OP has said, it was done 6months ago - therefore it has to comply with 17th, otherwise whats the point in the regs, therefore its unsatisfactory whether there is a danger present or not in my eyes.

Loose connections warrant a C2 in my eyes aswell.

So what the point in having a C3 grade then ????????????

You might aswell just have c1 & c2


C3 = does not comply to bs7671

No rcd protection = does not comply to bs7671


Nothing has been mentioned about a lose connection apart from a numpty onsite thinking the rcd will cover it

 

[markc123]

So what the point in having a C3 grade then ????????????

You might aswell just have c1 & c2


C3 = does not comply to bs7671

No rcd protection = does not comply to bs7671


Nothing has been mentioned about a lose connection apart from a numpty onsite thinking the rcd will cover it

C3 is improvement recommended - it doesn't just mean 'not compliant with regs'. It could be a sticker off a DB/CU, or wires sticking outside of a JB.

I'm not quite sure how you can justify someone doing electrical work that doesn't comply with 17th. It's a different matter if it was installed prior to 17th, but anything after June 30th 08 should be to 17th. And anyone who doesn't, unless of course manufactures instructions say otherwise, is a moron.

No RCD protection doesn't comply with 17th, but if it was installed prior to the 17th and the earthing is adequate throughout the install then it wouldn't warrant a code. There's a difference in my eyes.

 

[p11jor]

C3 is improvement recommended - it doesn't just mean 'not compliant with regs'. It could be a sticker off a DB/CU, or wires sticking outside of a JB.

I'm not quite sure how you can justify someone doing electrical work that doesn't comply with 17th. It's a different matter if it was installed prior to 17th, but anything after June 30th 08 should be to 17th. And anyone who doesn't, unless of course manufactures instructions say otherwise, is a moron.

No RCD protection doesn't comply with 17th, but if it was installed prior to the 17th and the earthing is adequate throughout the install then it wouldn't warrant a code. There's a difference in my eyes.

I'm far from justifying it, I'm stating that it dosnt comply with bs7671 so giving it the recommended code which is c3

There is no danger present c1 and there is likely to be no danger present c2.

How can not having a rcd come under danger may occur, ecspecialy if all the wiring & face plates has just been renewed 6months previous?

Would you c2 socket heights aswell?

What happened if you tested next door the same day, wired 25 years ago no rcd but other than that it was a really good install no issues at all, you couldn't give that a c2 or c3 because it wasn't a requirement then, but there poor neighbour has a nice c2 across there's because it's only just been done?

No chance c2 it's c3 all over

It's not the install who should get a c2 it's the idiot whose not added rcd protection should be getting the c2

 

[p11jor]

What happens if the homeowner married a electrician and she then has a competent person living in the property oppose to a ordinary person there would the "danger lurking" suddenly disappear?

 

[markc123]

I'm far from justifying it, I'm stating that it dosnt comply with bs7671 so giving it the recommended code which is c3

There is no danger present c1 and there is likely to be no danger present c2.

How can not having a rcd come under danger may occur, ecspecialy if all the wiring & face plates has just been renewed 6months previous?

Would you c2 socket heights aswell?

What happened if you tested next door the same day, wired 25 years ago no rcd but other than that it was a really good install no issues at all, you couldn't give that a c2 or c3 because it wasn't a requirement then, but there poor neighbour has a nice c2 across there's because it's only just been done?

No chance c2 it's c3 all over

It's not the install who should get a c2 it's the idiot whose not added rcd protection should be getting the c2

Yes, no code for the 25year old install, and a unsatisfactory for the new - and it'll teach that said client that they should get a qualified electrician to do the job, not some randomer.

I see it perfectly acceptable to award a C2 to an installation that has be installed after June 30th 08 that doesn't comply with the regs, even if the test results are fine, there might not be a C1 or C2 in sight to be honest...doesn't stop the 'satisfactory' box been crossed out on the front though, and above a brief explanation as to why.

No point in BS7671 been in existance if people aren't going to adhere to it.

 

[stuartcourt]

What happens if the homeowner married a electrician and she then has a competent person living in the property oppose to a ordinary person there would the "danger lurking" suddenly disappear?

depends, if he can prove himself on here I will think about it

 

[p11jor]

Yes, no code for the 25year old install, and a unsatisfactory for the new - and it'll teach that said client that they should get a qualified electrician to do the job, not some randomer.

I see it perfectly acceptable to award a C2 to an installation that has be installed after June 30th 08 that doesn't comply with the regs, even if the test results are fine, there might not be a C1 or C2 in sight to be honest...doesn't stop the 'satisfactory' box been crossed out on the front though, and above a brief explanation as to why.

No point in BS7671 been in existance if people aren't going to adhere to it.

You can still put unsat of the front sheet

 

[stuartcourt]

and what if not just RCD but MCB missed out, I can see both sides of this

 

[markc123]

p11jor - i think we'll have to agree to disagree on this, everyone has a difference of opinion on the coding of installations.

 

[p11jor]

No point in BS7671 been in existance if people aren't going to adhere to it.[/QUOTE]


Bs7671 is a non statutory document

 

[markc123]

and what if not just RCD but MCB missed out, I can see both sides of this

What you mean by MCB missed out lol? like a live just dangling there after a pikeys stolen it or something lol?

 

[p11jor]

As in double tapped or just strapped onto the bus bar?

 

[markc123]

Bs7671 is a non statutory document

Oh dear. Don't go there.

Yes it is non-stat...but you install something, and someone gets hurt and you've not adhered to BS7671...hello jail.