Can i legaly rip out the kitchen ring main and replace myself?

[mindiawl]

Hi, I wonder if anybody can help me please.
Years ago I passes my city & guilds in 16[SUP]th[/SUP] edition and have re wired many properties before I passed and since i passed, but none since part P regs was introduced.
Im very competent and know exactly what im doing so there is no issue there and im not looking for advice on how to wire a kitchen or a bathroom and so on.
What I am looking for advice on is as follows please.
1 I have just bought a property for renovation and re-sell, I need to rip out the kitchen and the existing ring to the point that the 2 ends of the ring that come from the c/u still exists but capped off by 2 junction boxes. Am i aloud to do this?
2 Can I then (as the new kitchen is being installed) put in the new ring and sockets and re attach to the 2 junction boxes mentioned above?
3 Can the ring be placed in those white plastic ducting (conduits) and then running the conduits along the wall behind the base units, with runs up to the sockets behind the tiles?
4 i also intend to knock the bathroom and one bedroom all in to one room which will then be the bathroom, can i legally change the light fitting to just a normal pendant and install a pull cord switch for it myself?
5 For the rest of the house some light switches and socket back boxes and faces are cracked, can i replace them?
6 If i am aloud then do I need to inform somebody that I am doing the work?
7 Do I need to get a certificate before i sell the property? If so then how much roughly will it cost?
Thank you all in advance for your answers.

 

[thekingiam]

if your thinking of selling house on you may encounter problems in the future when going to sell as no certification of new works done. also if i was wanting to buy a house i would feel beter buying a house done by a reputabe electrical firm rather than the home owner having a go.

 

[Plonker 3]

But the OP in this case is a Electrician and says he feels competent to do the works. Yet some one want to take some money off him just to do the work. How is that in any way right?

 

[oldtimer]

Legally ?????? whats that if that was the case then the big DIY sheds would not be able to sell Joe Public a Consumer unit , Double insulated mains cables sockets I could go on but lets just sum this up its just a bloody mess

 

[Plonker 3]

But who knows what people are going to do with stuff brought from the big sheds, it may be for a office block in which case they can do as they please. Where if nothing bad happens to anyone due to the installation they will be fine. Where as us mortal sparks have to justify our worth to simply add a socket in out own kitchen.

 

[Spoon]

I understand where you are coming from Dillb but he now knows its wrong to add sockets to a kitchen. The choice is his.
I had to have some extra sockets in my kitchen. I could have done it myself, but Im not Part P registered. I had a choice. I chose to get a leccy in and do the job, and get all the paper work

 

[oldtimer]

I understand where you are coming from Dillb but he now knows its wrong to add sockets to a kitchen. The choice is his.
I had to have some extra sockets in my kitchen. I could have done it myself, but Im not Part P registered. I had a choice. I chose to get a leccy in and do the job, and get all the paper work

Yep thats right but he can still do and no regulation police will visit and if there is a problem say selling the house then he gets an IEICR and as for the sheds selling the equipment mmmmmmmmmmm a bit like its ok to grow waccy baccie but you cannot smoke it

 

[Taylortwocities]

The title of this thread is

[h=2]Can I legally rip out the kitchen ring main and replace myself?[/h]To which the answer is no, not unless you do the paperwork with the local authority and pay their fee.
Then you will need to demonstrate your competent handiwork.

 

[simpson93]

as above from other guys, maybe look at part p free to download from planningportal, if you havent done anywork since it has been introduced i would suggest getting someone else in.

 

[Engineer54]

But who knows what people are going to do with stuff brought from the big sheds, it may be for a office block in which case they can do as they please. Where if nothing bad happens to anyone due to the installation they will be fine. Where as us mortal sparks have to justify our worth to simply add a socket in out own kitchen.

If the truth be known, the vast majority of the big shed sales of CU's, are to S/E electrician's, many here have stated just that, where they are confirming buying CU's from the big sheds....

 

[Des 56]

If is other works require full plans approval,the electrical bits are included with no extra notification fee ?
Yes or No ?

 

[Amp David]

I thought yes for that one Des.

But probably isn't going to bother getting any kind of approval for any of it.

 

[ferg]

maybe I'm just being dumb here, or pedantic, But the question was can he do it legally and as far as I'm aware he would not be breaking any laws by doing it therefore not illegal.

I'm not suggesting that it's a good idea for diy electrics far from it but it's not illegal.

 

[Moses]

Number of electrical jobs that need notifying that aren't= 100,000s
Number of people prosecuted for not notifying work= 0

You do the maths.

I am sorry but I'm not getting at you.

But a general comment.

We as electricians should not be promoting or encouraging in any way with any of our comments on this fourm, DIY electrics.

If we do, as we do in a lot of the posts in a lot of the threads, then we can not blame the gov. for introducing an in-effective Part-P reg.

We all know the state of our profession. and any time we sniff any DIY punter, we should state the law as it applies, and not any comments that may encourage DIY electrics.

 

[Moses]

Agreed, but only a numskull wouldn't use the info to haggle the price of the property down. I would. It has widening ramifications because you could then argue that if the vendor can't get the wiring correct then other utilities could be iffy also?

As an aside, I know we all hate Part P, but why do sparks so readily tell people on this forum to ignore the rules, particularly when people are grubbing around for work? Sort of, counter productive isn't it? It doesn't generate work for anyone and gives the public the impression that if we don't care about the industry then why should they? I don't hear my local gas fitter telling customers to ignore the rules and do their own installations?

Hear Hear.

 

[Tonkatoy27]

maybe I'm just being dumb here, or pedantic, But the question was can he do it legally and as far as I'm aware he would not be breaking any laws by doing it therefore not illegal.

I'm not suggesting that it's a good idea for diy electrics far from it but it's not illegal.

I may be wrong, but the way I understand it is this.

Building regulations are Law
Part P covers a certain scope of electrical work including altering circuits in special locations
Part P says that any work that falls within the scope should be notified.
Not notifying is breaking building regs and hence the law.

I thought this was the whole point of part p, he nonly break down in the system being the enforcement.