Can i legaly rip out the kitchen ring main and replace myself?

[mindiawl]

Hi, I wonder if anybody can help me please.
Years ago I passes my city & guilds in 16[SUP]th[/SUP] edition and have re wired many properties before I passed and since i passed, but none since part P regs was introduced.
Im very competent and know exactly what im doing so there is no issue there and im not looking for advice on how to wire a kitchen or a bathroom and so on.
What I am looking for advice on is as follows please.
1 I have just bought a property for renovation and re-sell, I need to rip out the kitchen and the existing ring to the point that the 2 ends of the ring that come from the c/u still exists but capped off by 2 junction boxes. Am i aloud to do this?
2 Can I then (as the new kitchen is being installed) put in the new ring and sockets and re attach to the 2 junction boxes mentioned above?
3 Can the ring be placed in those white plastic ducting (conduits) and then running the conduits along the wall behind the base units, with runs up to the sockets behind the tiles?
4 i also intend to knock the bathroom and one bedroom all in to one room which will then be the bathroom, can i legally change the light fitting to just a normal pendant and install a pull cord switch for it myself?
5 For the rest of the house some light switches and socket back boxes and faces are cracked, can i replace them?
6 If i am aloud then do I need to inform somebody that I am doing the work?
7 Do I need to get a certificate before i sell the property? If so then how much roughly will it cost?
Thank you all in advance for your answers.

 

[Taylortwocities]

as above from other guys, maybe look at part p free to download from planningportal, if you havent done anywork since it has been introduced i would suggest getting someone else in.

Well, I know many people don't like it
but
Building Regulations is STATUTORY
that means you are breaking the law unless you comply with the legislation.

Unlike BS7671, which is not statutory.
however
The Part P P1 statutory instrument (the legal bit) says you gotta install stuff so it is safe. And we wouldn't argue with that, would we.
but hanging on the back of P1 it is the Approved Document and that is where the notification stuff is put to annoy everyone.
Nad in the Approved Document is says something like electrical works should be installed in accordance with something like BS7671.

So you need to do it all, or just ignore it and hope it goes away.
Your choice. A bit like drinking and driving.

 

[Plonker 3]

I am sorry but I'm not getting at you.

But a general comment.

We as electricians should not be promoting or encouraging in any way with any of our comments on this fourm, DIY electrics.

If we do, as we do in a lot of the posts in a lot of the threads, then we can not blame the gov. for introducing an in-effective Part-P reg.

We all know the state of our profession. and any time we sniff any DIY punter, we should state the law as it applies, and not any comments that may encourage DIY electrics.

But here is the problem, this bloke wants to do a little extra work around his own home. He has to comply with Part P

If he wanted to build a 3,000,000 sq meter warehouse non of the electrics have to comply with anything just as long as nothing goes wrong with it. Now tell me in which circumstance is something more likely to go wrong.

 

[kingeri]

It is ludicrous that Part P applies only to domestic installations....as if to say that safety in industrial or commercial property is in some way less important.

 

[Rockingit]

But a simple EICR seems to get round this problem, which costs anywhere between £35- 250 so the cost of doing themselves is massive even when this problem arises.

And the joke here is that anyone who is competent can perform an EICR!!! So, do the work yourself, don't notify. When in five years time you come to sell and some conveyancer wants to make an arse of themselves, perform an EICR. Pointless exercise, and people wonder why we give the scams such a hard time.

 

[ferg]

Well I stand corrected then.
Perhaps I shouldn't have stuck my nose in. Part P doesn't apply here in Scotland and I obviously know less about part P than I thought.

I wonder what the penalty is for not notifying work you are clearly competent to do in your own home is.
Death by stoning?
The Electric chair

I can fully understand why part P exists but it just seems to punish the people who did things right in the first place.
And well lets face it cowboys arent going to stop being cowboys just because of part P which to me looks unenforceable.
However the compulsory scam registration does at least give the householder some measure of protection from John Wayne and friends.

Here in Scotland a more stringent scheme by building control was binned not that long ago.
Basically because not all registered electricians were good and not all unregistered electricians were bad.
I think BC worded it as varying standards

My apologies if my lack of part P knowledge got up anyones nose

 

[richy3333]

Well I stand corrected then.
Perhaps I shouldn't have stuck my nose in. Part P doesn't apply here in Scotland and I obviously know less about part P than I thought.

I wonder what the penalty is for not notifying work you are clearly competent to do in your own home is.
Death by stoning?
The Electric chair

I can fully understand why part P exists but it just seems to punish the people who did things right in the first place.
And well lets face it cowboys arent going to stop being cowboys just because of part P which to me looks unenforceable.
However the compulsory scam registration does at least give the householder some measure of protection from John Wayne and friends.

Here in Scotland a more stringent scheme by building control was binned not that long ago.
Basically because not all registered electricians were good and not all unregistered electricians were bad.
I think BC worded it as varying standards

My apologies if my lack of part P knowledge got up anyones nose

There is still a requirement to comply with the Scottish Building Standards, or is it now going to be suggested we ignore that too if it doesn't suit?

 

[Dave 85]

Im with Dillb on this one.
This guys, is by all rights a qualified electrician and its his own house. If he were to say "I plan to do 100 notifiable jobs a year, shall I bother getting registered?" I'd say yes, but to this....well I dont know why hes even bothered starting this thread. Is he worried the electrical gestapo have set up hidden cameras in his house and are waiting to pounce on him the second he opens a faceplate?

The thing about house sale is absolute balls. The only way it will ever come up is if the buyer has an EICR done as part of a survey, which most don't and if they do, and the work proves fine, which we'll assume it will as this is irrellevant to part P, then there is not going to be an issue. The buyer will have a report which may tell them there has been alterations done at some point since 2004 (or whenever it was blue and brown came in) and that the alterations have all been done properly and test out fine.

Also there is nothing to stop the OP filling out his own EIC or EICR which he can present to a buyer.

 

[Dave 85]

To summarise
Can you do it legally? No technically not without paying LABC a whole load of money.....
Should you do the work yourself? If you have the time and the ability, you'd be an idiot not to

 

[Moses]

I am sorry that I'm not getting to you.


We as electricians should not be promoting or encouraging in any way with any of our comments on this fourm, DIY electrics.

If we do, as we do in a lot of the posts in a lot of the threads, then we can not blame the gov. for introducing an in-effective Part-P reg.

We all know the state of our profession. and any time we sniff any DIY punter, we should state the law as it applies, and not any comments that may encourage DIY electrics.

Read more: http://www.electriciansforums.net/e...ring-main-replace-myself-2.html#ixzz1z7mj7Ki4​

 

[Plonker 3]

Moses, do you do your own decorating? Do you tell people how to drive?

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[Moses]

Moses, do you do your own decorating? Do you tell people how to drive?

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Yes I do my own decorating, as god helps those that help themselves!

No I don't tell others how to drive, unless they are a danger to me or cut me up!

 

[Plonker 3]

So your quite happy to do work others have trained to do, but not so happy when it happens to your trade?


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[Tonkatoy27]

I think the point Moses is trying to make would be better made on an thread with an obvious DIYer with no knowledge as it states on the homepage that these forums are for professional electricians. If this guy is 16th trained and has test gear then I've no problems with giving him advice to do work in his own home
A DIYer asking very basic questions however should be told only one thing, 'get an electrician in'.
The more advice we give DIYers, the more potential jobs we loose, although that obviously won't bother commercial/industrial sparkies.

I think Moses is trying to say that if you do your decorating wrong, you won't hurt yourself or a member of your family........

 

[Plonker 3]

I agree with anyone who doesn't know what they are doing should be told get someone who knows what they are doing in. But the OP has already said he is competant in what he doing and just seeking advice which os what this forum is for.

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[ferg]

There is still a requirement to comply with the Scottish Building Standards, or is it now going to be suggested we ignore that too if it doesn't suit?

I don't remember suggesting that any regulations be ignored at any point in any post I've ever made.