Cat5/Cat6 Data courses

[eskimo39]

Hi does anyone know of any courses in Cat5/Cat6 Tv, Data & CCTV installation courses.

Really fancy looking into this line of work.

Thanks

 

[UNG]

Look in trade mags plenty of places offering courses on what you require also plenty of good books around to get the basics then if you do a course you will get more out of it

I have not done many courses but enjoy reading technical books and manuals and expanding my knowledge into different areas in my experience a good book or two can be far more useful than a few courses

Over the years from being a spark some of the things I've done include Cat 5, fibre optic, cctv, covert surveilance cameras, intruder alarms, AV system installation and one of the best beers I ever had got me into installing and repairing wireless data networks and high access rigging (mast climbing and rope access)

You should be able to pick up Cat5 installation very easily as a lot of it is common sense

 

[acvc]

Eskimo - me too and fast.

I've just started a job of wiring an outside building for a house, and last night the customer dropped the bombshell of 'oh and you're not forgettting that I'll need my computers out there .... can I have a socket in each corner please'.

Well 'of course' said moi ..... thinking oh god ...never done it before but i've heard it's not too difficult .

I'm aware of the 568B and A wiring, the RJ45 8 colour/four twisted pairs and the RJ45 modular plugs.

In terms of wiring ... where would you take a feed from for the armoured cable to the outside building, then does it go to a central point in the building with radials to each socket? Or can you daisy-chain the sockets along as in electrical radial circuits?

Just a rough guide would be brilliant while a start learning/finding a friend who can!

Many thanks chaps and chapesses.

 

[bugsy]

Eskimo - me too and fast.

I've just started a job of wiring an outside building for a house, and last night the customer dropped the bombshell of 'oh and you're not forgettting that I'll need my computers out there .... can I have a socket in each corner please'.

Well 'of course' said moi ..... thinking oh god ...never done it before but i've heard it's not too difficult .

I'm aware of the 568B and A wiring, the RJ45 8 colour/four twisted pairs and the RJ45 modular plugs.

In terms of wiring ... where would you take a feed from for the armoured cable to the outside building, then does it go to a central point in the building with radials to each socket? Or can you daisy-chain the sockets along as in electrical radial circuits?

Just a rough guide would be brilliant while a start learning/finding a friend who can!

Many thanks chaps and chapesses.

If your going to install hard wired cat5e connections just take the two cables ( cat5e) back to where he intends to install the Hubb and terminate in RJ45's and terminate the two cables in Cat5e outlets in his out building although easier and cheaper to install wireless router,
Not sure where the armoured comes though , unless your refering the the electrical install .

 

[Doomed]

Each computer needs a seperate feed for networking, if you are only taking one length of cat5 from the house you will need to run that to a 8 or 16 port switch/hub and then run seperate cables from the switch/hub to each point.
Scan.co.uk: Leading supplier of Networking
Netgear is a good brand.

Also don't forget the additional requirements for electrical power sockets supplying a group of computers.

 

[UNG]

ACVC you don't say where you are located

If you are installing Cat5 outside i.e from house to outbuilding make sure you use external Cat5 (about twice the price as internal for the cheap stuff ) and don't be fobbed off as internal Cat5 degrades when exposed to UV and cause allsorts of problems I've been there and sorted other installers cable problems

Other considerations may be run one Cat5 and use a hub to split off to the points in the outbuilding and also makes the installation of extra points easier for network printers etc

Sockets are normally colour coded and require a punch down tool to terminate

The RJ45 plugs require a crimper to attach them. The plugs can be difficult to terminate at first but practice makes it easier. Crimpers cost from £15 if you are doing alot it is worth spending more

The difference between 568A and B are the connections made on pins 1 & 2 and 3 & 6 in a crossed Cat5 cable pins 1 & 2 are connected to 3 & 6 at the other end whereas a straight cable is as it says

 

[acvc]

Bugsy - I'm just assuming that a)there is such a thing as armoured Cat5 cable, and b)that I'll need it to run under the ground out to the building.

Thanks Bugsy and Doomed for your speedy replies. I'm going up there now. Bugsy I don;t quite understand this:

"If your going to install hard wired cat5e connections just take the two cables ( cat5e) back to where he intends to install the Hubb and terminate in RJ45's and terminate the two cables in Cat5e outlets in his out building although easier and cheaper to install wireless router"

Why two cables - is it not as simple as one cable from the house to the building?

Eskimo - sorry for hijacking this post.

Eskimo - sorry for hijacking this post.

 

[bugsy]

Bugsy - I'm just assuming that a)there is such a thing as armoured Cat5 cable, and b)that I'll need it to run under the ground out to the building.

Thanks Bugsy and Doomed for your speedy replies. I'm going up there now. Bugsy I don;t quite understand this:

"If your going to install hard wired cat5e connections just take the two cables ( cat5e) back to where he intends to install the Hubb and terminate in RJ45's and terminate the two cables in Cat5e outlets in his out building although easier and cheaper to install wireless router"

Why two cables - is it not as simple as one cable from the house to the building?

Eskimo - sorry for hijacking this post.

Eskimo - sorry for hijacking this post.

One run for each outlet , they cannot be wired in series,
Install in pvc conduit, - this offers better protection

 

[UNG]

although easier and cheaper to install wireless router,

Although easier and cheaper I would not recommend it as the 2.4GHz units are very prone to interference are rarely run at the speeds quoted due to this and the encryption and data transmission overheads within the wireless

Since wireless has become more widely used it's limited channels have become clogged

There are other wireless solutions but these require licencing to operate them and kit is a bit more expensive

 

[bugsy]

Hi does anyone know of any courses in Cat5/Cat6 Tv, Data & CCTV installation courses.

Really fancy looking into this line of work.

Thanks

Hager run very good training scheme for tebis there home automation system, covers telecoms, data, audio visual. this training is ( or was ) free . Contact Hager @ Telford

 

[UNG]

Bugsy - I'm just assuming that a)there is such a thing as armoured Cat5 cable, and b)that I'll need it to run under the ground out to the building.

I would not recommend armoured Cat5 it is an absolute pain to work with did it once and that was one too many

I would recommend using a double sheathed STP Cat5 problem is it ain't cheap the other option would be to use Supertube conduit and standard cable

 

[Golden_Boy]

I would not recommend armoured Cat5 it is an absolute pain to work with did it once and that was one too many

I would recommend using a double sheathed STP Cat5 problem is it ain't cheap the other option would be to use Supertube conduit and standard cable

Plastic water pipe also works a treat... Just lube the cable and away you go...

 

[acvc]

Thanks a million you lot. This forum - you - is/are brilliant .

A final question: In the house ..... I assume then I need to take an ethernet cable out of the modem and into a 2 port hub - one port for the house and the other port to run out to the outbuilding?

 

[bugsy]

Cat 5e patch cable from the router to the hubb. you can either buy one or as you will have the cable and RJ45 plugs make one.
With regards to the wireless routers - we have never had a problem
I would suggest 4/6 port hubb , your going to use two for the out house

 

[Golden_Boy]

Thanks a million you lot. This forum - you - is/are brilliant .

A final question: In the house ..... I assume then I need to take an ethernet cable out of the modem and into a 2 port hub - one port for the house and the other port to run out to the outbuilding?

Dont use a hub. get a 10/100 switch. When you say "modem" do you mean the box has only one socket for RJ45 plug or has it got several. A photo would be good. this is my area of expetise as I have been in the business professionally for 10 years. Do NOT use wireless if you can help it. Believe me cables are better every time. You can run up to 100 metres without any problems provided you take care with routing ( no pun intended ).