Con or not?!? City and Guilds 2391 to 2394 and 2395

[harrison2987]

Hi guys,

What do you lot think the reason is for changing the city and guilds 2391 to 2394 and 2395??

From what i understand the 2391 has now been split into 2 courses and become easier to pass (2394 - Initial Verification and Certification of Electrical Installations and 2395 - Periodic Inspection, Testing and Certification of Electrical Installations).

I know it will also now include amendments aswell, but whats the point in having the 2 courses?

Is this a money maker for the powers that be, and have they made the course easier so more people will attempt it?!?

Please let me know what your thoughts are on this!!

Cheers guys

 

[telectrix]

What is the difference in content between the 2391 compared with 2394 and 2395?

Am i right in thinking you should do both 2394 and 95 to be classed as fully competent to perform testing and inspection?

And also what was the reason for you taking the 2394 and 95 if you had a 2391? I have a 2391 and want to know what is benefical with having those 2 for me?

if you hold 2391, there's no need and no point in the 2394/5.

 

[Amp David]

I passed my 2395 with a mark of 72%

Was this for the written part or online. We were never given a percentage pass mark

 

[harrison2987]

if you hold 2391, there's no need and no point in the 2394/5.

That was my understanding too Telectrix just wasnt 100% sure, im just curious as to why Skelton has taken all 3??

Seems pointless to me but woundered if there was a valid reason or benefit.

 

[Amp David]

Might had some cash burning a hole in his pocket

 

[harrison2987]

Also what was the reasoning behind City and Guilds ending the 2391 and bringing the other 2 in?

 

[telectrix]

double the numbers. double the cost. kerrching.

 

[D Skelton]

Was this for the written part or online. We were never given a percentage pass mark

Written mate. If you don't pass the online there is something seriously wrong with you lol!

i passed mine during my first year at college...

Oooh, look at yooooou. lol.

where did you get this info' from? when i did mine, they told us that c&g's don't tell you your score - it's just a straight pass or fail.

Lets just say I am very fortunate to know a few people in the know. Nothing worth bragging about but I am much more happy knowing an actual mark, not just a pass or fail.

What is the difference in content between the 2391 compared with 2394 and 2395?

More content in the latter two. Two seperate practicals, two seperate writtens and a shared online multiple choice.

Am i right in thinking you should do both 2394 and 95 to be classed as fully competent to perform testing and inspection?

You don't need any T&I quals to be classed as a competent T&Ier, they just help to prove this when job hunting. I MUST stress this because I know many people who are NOT competent T&Iers and yet hold T&I quals!

And also what was the reason for you taking the 2394 and 95 if you had a 2391? I have a 2391 and want to know what is benefical with having those 2 for me?

Nothing benificial in having any further quals for me whatsoever, I'm the boss. But what it does do for me is it instills me with a great sense of achievement. It also helps that I can get on the courses proper dirt cheap!

I still havent done my 2396 yet and am very much looking forward to doing so even though I know full well that it won't open any doors for me whatsoever!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Also what was the reasoning behind City and Guilds ending the 2391 and bringing the other 2 in?

probably caus it was too much in one go for many...
thing is slowly but surely the training centres offering the C&G2391 were conveniently forgetting they had a duty of care to candidates...that is to say that C&G as part of their awarding the training centre status to deliver the course required training centres to vet candidates for this course to assess their suitability (at that time in their personal development).....stealthily this was `forgotten about`...as it became more about getting arses on seats rather than deliver what was considered by many to be a challanging..but refreshing and rewarding course to take.....
many of the candidates didn`t really stand a chance of passing it....but were let in anyway.....for the £350-400 fee of course....
outragous...

 

[harrison2987]

Thanks for the insight so far guys, good to get different peoples perspective on things!!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Written mate. If you don't pass the online there is something seriously wrong with you lol!



Oooh, look at yooooou. lol.



Lets just say I am very fortunate to know a few people in the know. Nothing worth bragging about but I am much more happy knowing an actual mark, not just a pass or fail.



More content in the latter two. Two seperate practicals, two seperate writtens and a shared online multiple choice.



You don't need any T&I quals to be classed as a competent T&Ier, they just help to prove this when job hunting. I MUST stress this because I know many people who are NOT competent T&Iers and yet hold T&I quals!



Nothing benificial in having any further quals for me whatsoever, I'm the boss. But what it does do for me is it instills me with a great sense of achievement. It also helps that I can get on the courses proper dirt cheap!

I still havent done my 2396 yet and am very much looking forward to doing so even though I know full well that it won't open any doors for me whatsoever!

sorry Damian....i couldn`t help it!!

 

[bartkusal]

Written mate. If you don't pass the online there is something seriously wrong with you lol!



Oooh, look at yooooou. lol.



Lets just say I am very fortunate to know a few people in the know. Nothing worth bragging about but I am much more happy knowing an actual mark, not just a pass or fail.



More content in the latter two. Two seperate practicals, two seperate writtens and a shared online multiple choice.



You don't need any T&I quals to be classed as a competent T&Ier, they just help to prove this when job hunting. I MUST stress this because I know many people who are NOT competent T&Iers and yet hold T&I quals!



Nothing benificial in having any further quals for me whatsoever, I'm the boss. But what it does do for me is it instills me with a great sense of achievement. It also helps that I can get on the courses proper dirt cheap!

I still havent done my 2396 yet and am very much looking forward to doing so even though I know full well that it won't open any doors for me whatsoever!

I done my 2391 a year ago and it was the same content as you state in the later two. 2practicals. 2 written, 1 online. Are we not confucing things here. I always new that old 2392 is new 2394 and old 2391 is new 2395 ????

 

[SPARTYKUS]

No exam will ever be harder than the 2391 I took!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

No exam will ever be harder than the 2391 I took!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i enjoyed every moment of it.....
like i says, i found it refreshing....
its all about the efforts you put in as well....
too many approach it with a blase attitude...
there were 13 others on the course i did.....most of em were more interested in corry & the bar.....
when i got home it was guidance note three....

 

[D Skelton]

I done my 2391 a year ago and it was the same content as you state in the later two. 2practicals. 2 written, 1 online. Are we not confucing things here. I always new that old 2392 is new 2394 and old 2391 is new 2395 ????

The 2391 is one practical and one written, however the written is split into two sections (A and B) with a total of 2.5 hours between them. Some centres will split these up, but it is still only one written exam.

Are you sure you didn't do the 2392 and 2391 combined course?

 

[Engineer54]

Like many other respected old established institutions, the Tradesmen's C&G Institution has been taken over by Yuppies that have Zero interest in what the Institution has stood and stands for. It's now run as a purely profit making enterprise, and will grasp every opportunity to increase that profit, even if it means lowering set standards to achieve that goal!!

Basically a total disgrace, but while the accountants are allowed run these institutions, nothing is going to change!! The traditional old school administrators have left the building i'm afraid!!