Con or not?!? City and Guilds 2391 to 2394 and 2395

[harrison2987]

Hi guys,

What do you lot think the reason is for changing the city and guilds 2391 to 2394 and 2395??

From what i understand the 2391 has now been split into 2 courses and become easier to pass (2394 - Initial Verification and Certification of Electrical Installations and 2395 - Periodic Inspection, Testing and Certification of Electrical Installations).

I know it will also now include amendments aswell, but whats the point in having the 2 courses?

Is this a money maker for the powers that be, and have they made the course easier so more people will attempt it?!?

Please let me know what your thoughts are on this!!

Cheers guys

 

[silverfox1]

you don't need 2391 to get a gold card. the gold card is for bog standard electricians, not approved.

I stand corrected . Ok to get JIB approved card you need 2391 and hence a better rate of pay.

 

[D Skelton]

The reason for the low pass rate is because the 2391 was more often than not a bolt on to an 18 day course. There is no way the majority of people taking these Electrical Trainee courses could hope to pass the 2391 after such a brief introduction to the trade. To any spark who has spent three years at college however, the 2391 would more often than not be a breeze considering every full qualification will have had a T&I element in it very similar to the 2391 which would have had to have been passed to gain the qualification in the first place.

The percentage of people passing the 2391 ten years ago was very high so I'm told. Just goes to show how dumbed down the industry has become.

 

[Sparky Ninja]

I didn't start the 2391, I just used the exam papers to practice for the 2395, there's no 2395 papers available yet as its still a relatively new exam. I haven't done the 2394 yet
I'm not saying that the 2395 is harder than the 2391, just that it's not much easier

Revision material from past papers of the 2394 and 2395 is out there and available.

You just need to know who to ask.

 

[D Skelton]

Revision material from past papers of the 2394 and 2395 is out there and available.

You just need to know who to ask.

You can't possibly know anyone like that! 2395 papers aren't available! You're a liar!!! Arrrgh!!

 

[7029 dave]

bloke I knew had jib approved card, and never done any quals in his life, along time ago, but he was still graded!!.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

bloke I knew had jib approved card, and never done any quals in his life, along time ago, but he was still graded!!.

Was probably a very, very good electrician then!

 

[7029 dave]

Was probably a very, very good electrician then!

He was the best conduit man I ever met,if he's still about he'd be about 70ish.

 

[Englishman]

Reffering to Post 57

Well said mate, its shocking how he is slating the D Skelton, seems very personal an all, I don’t think he would of said what he said straight into his face. He wouldn’t to me that’s for sure.

And as I said before, yes the pass % is fluctuating dependant how good or bad the people taking the exam doing at this particular date don’t forget that they have to eliminate someone it’s all regulated. It fluctuates between 60%- 80%

Ok, I very carefully saying fallowing, I was told by lecturer/examiner about all this in secretive way, and I had no reason to think that he is lying to me, especially when it all makes clear sense.

And now I am going to hide, because THE GREAT ENGLISHMEN will be after me now.
So if you don’t hear from me anymore, I am dead.

Oh no of course I wouldn't. Give it a rest mate, "he wouldn't to me, that's for sure". Worst comment.

Going a bit over the top as well, I apologise that me not believing Skelton has offended you so much. Weirdo.

As for fluctuating pass marks, renders the exam pointless IMO, no other exams have fluctuating marks so I don't see why this would. Also, why would they give the qual to someone who gets 65% in feb and not give it to someone who gets 79% in June. Completely devalues it. The pass mark was the pass mark, nobody knew it, was thought to be 70-80%, all were just passed or failed. End of the matter.

Few naive people on this forum, Christ.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Reffering to Post 57

Well said mate, its shocking how he is slating the D Skelton, seems very personal an all, I don’t think he would of said what he said straight into his face. He wouldn’t to me that’s for sure.

And as I said before, yes the pass % is fluctuating dependant how good or bad the people taking the exam doing at this particular date don’t forget that they have to eliminate someone it’s all regulated. It fluctuates between 60%- 80%

Ok, I very carefully saying fallowing, I was told by lecturer/examiner about all this in secretive way, and I had no reason to think that he is lying to me, especially when it all makes clear sense.

And now I am going to hide, because THE GREAT ENGLISHMEN will be after me now.
So if you don’t hear from me anymore, I am dead.

Damian is another one i hold in regard in here (there aint many)...
he talks sense...
`englishman`....shut up and please please try and learn something......or i might just think your a Electrical Trainee

 

[D Skelton]

Thanks Glenn. I appreciate that.

 

[Englishman]

Damian is another one i hold in regard in here (there aint many)...
he talks sense...
`englishman`....shut up and please please try and learn something......or i might just think your a Electrical Trainee

Learn something from someone saying that he "knows somebody" and has been told something? Jesus, what is wrong with people on here.

As for Electrical Trainee, don't be silly.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Learn something from someone saying that he "knows somebody" and has been told something? Jesus, what is wrong with people on here.

As for Electrical Trainee, don't be silly.

well, we all know `somebody` ....dont we....lol...

nowt wrong with me pal........

show me different then...
no, really please....

 

[Englishman]

Yeah but we don't all take that somebody's word as gospel and throw a hissy fit, publicly announcing that the person who dared to disagree with what they'd been told, and believed, was being blocked. Which in itself is laughable.

And I went down the standard route mate, long before a Electrical Trainee had his name. Not that it's relevant considering that I'm not talking about work whatsoever.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Yeah but we don't all take that somebody's word as gospel and throw a hissy fit, publicly announcing that the person who dared to disagree with what they'd been told, and believed, was being blocked. Which in itself is laughable.

And I went down the standard route mate, long before a Electrical Trainee had his name. Not that it's relevant considering that I'm not talking about work whatsoever.

hmm...

 

[bartkusal]

Oh no of course I wouldn't. Give it a rest mate, "he wouldn't to me, that's for sure". Worst comment.

Going a bit over the top as well, I apologise that me not believing Skelton has offended you so much. Weirdo.

As for fluctuating pass marks, renders the exam pointless IMO, no other exams have fluctuating marks so I don't see why this would. Also, why would they give the qual to someone who gets 65% in feb and not give it to someone who gets 79% in June. Completely devalues it. The pass mark was the pass mark, nobody knew it, was thought to be 70-80%, all were just passed or failed. End of the matter.

Few naive people on this forum, Christ.

You definetly have issues big boy. If you speak with people like that in the real world, I guess you are very lucky then if you still with us. Its not that you don't believe D Skelton or not thats offending its the way you speak. All have opinions but there is no need for such attitudes here. And I can repeat again my worst comment, you would not speak to me like that in real world, enaf said.