Consumer Unit change

[Spazz]

I have recently moved into a new house, I have my assessment coming up in March time
The Consumer Unit currently has spears reading everything - no loops for anything.

Its an old MK unit with the old type MCBs (15A and 30A) and no RCDs

I am wondering if NAPIT would be happy with a CU change with everything as spares. I know I cant go any change the whole house to loops - and Im not as Im renting, ut Im not happy with the fact of no RCDs and 2 little boys who are obsessed with plug sockets. I do have covers on everything but the risk is to high for them to pull out a plug and put their fingers in.

By the way there are 2 Consumer Units - 1 for General Electrics and 1 for Space Heaters in each room (15A MCB) per heater.

 

[fancypantsyeah]

When I did my course I was told ring and spur - its terminology and the same problem with lectures teaching something different

Thanks for correcting me as I wont be right otherwise.

This is the other reason why Im doing my 17th Edition and Inspect/Test First to sort the problems I had previously out


Thanks again

a spur is when you add , say an extra socket on to a ring main without extending the ring main,you are spuring off a sockgrt or a fused spur ....lets say just to keep it simple ...........
and a ring main is what it is,,,,,a continious run of cable that that goes from socket to ssocket then back to the board.....
a loop is used in lighting terminology in a loop in and out.... perm live and neutral in+ earth, ,- perm live to switch back on switch live,,, loop perm live and neutral + EARTH to next light and so on......

 

[fancypantsyeah]

i was tought that with the eu changes and harmonisation that the a 32 A 4mm2 radial was gonna be the next new thing instead of 32A ringmains,, and i have installed a few but with the price of copper going up and up it's cost affective to install the 2.5mm2 instead.

 

[fancypantsyeah]

When I did my course I was told ring and spur - its terminology and the same problem with lectures teaching something different

Thanks for correcting me as I wont be right otherwise.

This is the other reason why Im doing my 17th Edition and Inspect/Test First to sort the problems I had previously out


Thanks again

a spur is when you add , say an extra socket on to a ring main, or a fused spur ....lets say just to keep it simple ...........
and a ring main is what it is,,,,,a continious run of cable that that goes from socket to ssocket then back to the board.....
a loop is used in lighting terminology in a loop in and out.... perm live and neutral in+ earth, ,- perm live to switch back on switch live,,, loop perm live and neutral + EARTH to next light and so on......

 

[parker56]

What did with do before the eu came along,(i know we used our brains)

 

[fancypantsyeah]

The worst thing to happen to the uk,,,, the eu....bahrr ......lol...

 

[Dave 85]

Socket covers are a completely pointless invention IMO designed purely for neurotics. For a kid to get a belt he has to carefully prise the L and N covers down with a screwdriver in the earth then whilst holding it in this position get a thin metal object and poke it on the live. If he's that clever and that determined to get a belt he'd just pull the bulb out of a table lamp and stick his tongue in. I'm not normally a Electrical Trainee basher but this guys knowledge and terminology is rather concerning.

 

[trev]

I'm not normally a Electrical Trainee basher but this guys knowledge and terminology is rather concerning.

Nicholas you say you're doing 17th and 2391. Did you do or have you any intention of doing 2330? As above, from this and your previous threads I don't think you're ready for an assessment yet mate.
Best advice, C&G2330.

 

[Guitarist]

How are you even being assessed before completing your 17th edition course? From your terminology, I cannot believe you fully understand basic circuits at the moment. Do you really feel confident going into peoples' homes and installing/modifying electrical systems which have the potential to kill someone?

 

[Geordie Spark]

Thanks


AS I have explained before and is the hot topic in a few forums, these lectures who are teaching us are teaching the wrong thing at times, or they are putting their personal opinion across as regs when they clearly not!


I know now - not to be true - but I was told that all new circuits have to be "Ring" when thats a load of rubbish!

Im doing my 17th Edition first and my Inspect and Test so hopefully that will sort these big problems out - at worse I will have to do the installation again -- not what I want o do
All the courses Im doing now is in a different college with different lectures so hope that sorts it out!

You think you've got problems ??

When I did my 2391, the lecturer spoke with a strong South African accent, had a stammer & constantly confused the words "installation" & "insulation" !!

:banghead:

 

[Geordie Spark]

a spur is when you add , say an extra socket on to a ring main without extending the ring main,you are spuring off a sockgrt or a fused spur ....lets say just to keep it simple ...........
and a ring main is what it is,,,,,a continious run of cable that that goes from socket to ssocket then back to the board.....
a loop is used in lighting terminology in a loop in and out.... perm live and neutral in+ earth, ,- perm live to switch back on switch live,,, loop perm live and neutral + EARTH to next light and so on......

You may find Tony & Engineer54 + a few others disagreeing with you there !! :rolleyes2:

*dives behind sofa & puts tin hat on*

 

[mickys86]

I know now - not to be true - but I was told that all new circuits have to be "Ring" when thats a load of rubbish!

Are you 100% sure it wasn't just you getting confused

 

[Knobhead]

You may find Tony & Engineer54 + a few others disagreeing with you there !! :rolleyes2:

*dives behind sofa & puts tin hat on*

I’m just loading the Bofors gun now, don’t worry it’s only a 40mm shell.

Think I can remember how to load and fire it, it has been 35 years since I last fired one.

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[Knobhead]

To be honest fancypantsyeah is right.
The only thing I could pick holes in is a “continuous run of cable”. Makes life easier if you cut it at each socket, bloody site easier to connect up and get the CPC sleeveing on. And that is being picky!
A spur is as he says an extension of a ring to what ever.
Lighting, loop in, loop out correct, but me being an old fart would still run lighting as a ring.

I just wish fancypantsyeah would learn to spell.

 

[fancypantsyeah]

To be honest fancypantsyeahis right.
The only thing I could pick holes in is a “continuous run of cable”. Makes life easier if you cut it at each socket, bloody site easier to connect up and get the CPC sleeveing on. And that is being picky!
A spur is as he says an extension of a ring to what ever.
Lighting, loop in, loop out correct, but me being an old fart would still run lighting as a ring.

I just wish fancypantsyeah would learn to spell.

tanks tony ...... i obviously didn't mee you don't have to cut it to terminate it ...."geeez" but it starts at the ccu is made off at the socket or fixed equipement then to the next sockets lets say ten back to the board ,,,,, did'nt realize i had to explain the ya cut the cable to terminate it,,,,,lol........ not to experianced sparks any how.......
but thanks for ya feed back i'll try to explian in minut detail in future....lol///

 

[telectrix]

and it's a ring final, not a ring main , fancy,