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ic3y

Hi Guys

I need to move my cooker 4 meters.
so my question is

Can the existing 6mm cable be joined by crimp and heat shrink (by a qualified electrician) to the new cable and buried in the wall then plastered.

the reason for doing this would be asthetic as the joining block and double blanking plate looks naff
and cupboards on wall would fall half way across it making it inaccessable anyway and there no more existing wire to bring it further down and that would look horrible too.

cheers guys

Jeff
 
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as he says ^^^^^. discuss with your sparks the best way to schieve your goal giving consideration to the aesthetics. not all sparks just bang in a piece of trunking.
 
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ic3y said:
Hi Guys

I need to move my cooker 4 meters.
so my question is

Can the existing 6mm cable be joined by crimp and heat shrink (by a qualified electrician) to the new cable and buried in the wall then plastered.

the reason for doing this would be asthetic as the joining block and double blanking plate looks naff
and cupboards on wall would fall half way across it making it inaccessable anyway and there no more existing wire to bring it further down and that would look horrible too.

cheers guys

Jeff
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You can do this but I would suggest leaving in a more accessible position like maybe drop down under the kitchen units?
 
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odawire said:
Did you read my post? I said put it somewhere else, more accessible. However if the cable was crimped and plastered over, what would be the problem with that?
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If the end of the cable is in a back box, that would fall behind a cupboard, and would be inaccessible, how could the OP move it? Well, that's how I read the OP.
 
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Thanks guys

It is obvious that i speak a different language.

I am not doing this myself and i did say by a qualified electrician.
i just wanted to know if he could crimp and shrink wrap and then that connection be sunk in the wall
and be forgotten about rather than have a horrible blanking plate with cupboard going half way across it.

and no it cannot be dropped lower and no more cable.

so to put in simply without adding any complications

can you crimp vac and plaster over.

thanks again

Jeff
 
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He would probably try to pull it back into ceiling void and join under floor then extend cable to new point, depends on situation, personally I would use surface sticky back MT2 straight across tiles, into side of blank plate at old point then 50mm surface box at new point, proper job ;-)
 
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new cooker switch is sunk in wall , looks lovely, join is connection block and blanking plate which as i said falls really awkward. this work has already been done but i dont like it. i want it sunk and plastered over so it looks nice if at all possible lol....

I know regs are different for crimping so just wondered if it could be done, and i could suggest it to the electrician when he comes to finish off saturday

If it is not possible so be it.

thank you
 
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ic3y said:
new cooker switch is sunk in wall , looks lovely, join is connection block and blanking plate which as i said falls really awkward. this work has already been done but i dont like it. i want it sunk and plastered over so it looks nice if at all possible lol....

If it is not possible so be it.

thank you
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You really need to get your sparks back to have a look, it would all depend on whether, if the cables were crimped and plastered over, if the cables were then in a safe zone (likely not) however, it may be possible that the box could be chased a bit further up the wall so the blankplate is entirely behind unit?
 
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Thank you he is coming back saturday

Am i getting this right

He could put it further up and because it is behind a cupboard it is technically a "safe zone"
so regs are ok with that
 
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somersetsparks said:
You really need to get your sparks back to have a look, it would all depend on whether, if the cables were crimped and plastered over, if the cables were then in a safe zone (likely not) however, it may be possible that the box could be chased a bit further up the wall so the blankplate is entirely behind unit?
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i like that idea i will suggest it....ty
 
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ic3y said:
Thank you he is coming back saturday

Am i getting this right

He could put it further up and because it is behind a cupboard it is technically a "safe zone"
so regs are ok with that
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Behind a cupboard isn't a safe zone.

Safe zones are horizontally and vertically from ANY visible accessory.
 
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Ok i think i get it from all the cryptic answers i have recieved.

My original question was can i sink a crimped connection in the wall and plaster over.

the answer is no because it will create an "unsafe zone" of hidden wires

bingo
 
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ic3y said:
Ok i think i get it from all the cryptic answers i have recieved.

My original question was can i sink a crimped connection in the wall and plaster over.

the answer is no because it will create an "unsafe zone" of hidden wires

bingo
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Depending of course on where the joint is situated.
You did get a straight answer on the first reply. Ask the sparks who will be carrying out this work as he will have his eyes on the situation and be able to best advise you.
 
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Thanks to you all i got there in the end. The answer is no! and for me to get what i want it really means new cable back to floorboards or the CU. Not want i wanted to do if i could get away with it but safety first!


and just a note for some of you who think you are being helpful.

i am not an electrician and Sometimes i come on here to ask questions to make sure i am not getting ripped off or given wrong advice but if you are going to say "ask your electrician" then whats the point.......lol.

thanks to you all for chipping in though and taking the time to respond

Jeff
 
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do you know what...22 posts on a cooker cable....and i`v been reading some of this tosh n all.....
for a start i would not be putting joints in any cable in the service voids of kitchen units as they wont be accessable for maintainance...
another way of doing this would be to use a suitably rated joint box under the cupboard...like behind the kickboard....but if that is not possible then joint the existing cooker cable into a DP switch in a cupboard....then from there onto the cooker.....
but whoever thinks that just to crimp and bury into the wall....or start hiding joints in service voids is no better than kev kitchen or barry bathroom fitter or sommat like that.....and should reconsider their trade....
 
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GLENNSPARK said:
do you know what...22 posts on a cooker cable....and i`v been reading some of this tosh n all.....
for a start i would not be putting joints in any cable in the service voids of kitchen units as they wont be accessable for maintainance...
another way of doing this would be to use a suitably rated joint box under the cupboard...like behind the kickboard....but if that is not possible then joint the existing cooker cable into a DP switch in a cupboard....then from there onto the cooker.....
but whoever thinks that just to crimp and bury into the wall....or start hiding joints in service voids is no better than kev kitchen or barry bathroom fitter or sommat like that.....and should reconsider their trade....
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Don't agree with you at all, nothing wrong with a proper crimped connection buried in plaster, its not a bodge if done properly.
 
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odawire said:
Don't agree with you at all, nothing wrong with a proper crimped connection buried in plaster, its not a bodge if done properly.
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So your saying, that would be a professional finished job are you??

Going from what's been stated so far in this thread, the best suggestions so far, is moving the existing CCU back box behind the planned wall unit, so that the whole thing is out of harms way!! Either that or making any necessary extension joint above the ceiling, them come away from the joint to the new cooker point position.....

Crimped joints are deemed as maintenance free joints/terminations, so do not need to be accessible. But a trap cut into the floorboard above the joint, could make the joint accessible...

Let's hope your electrician isn't a Electrical Trainee DI ...lol!!
 
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Engineer54 said:
So your saying, that would be a professional finished job are you??

Going from what's been stated so far in this thread, the best suggestion so far is moving the existing back box behind the planned wall unit, so that the whole thing is out of harms way!! Either that or making any necessary joint above the ceiling.
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There's a multitude of ways the job could be done, there was an insinuation that to crimp and bury was a cowboys trick, which is total BS. I would be perfectly happy with it, can you give a reason why it would not be satisfactory?
 
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odawire said:
There's a multitude of ways the job could be done, there was an insinuation that to crimp and bury was a cowboys trick, which is total BS. I would be perfectly happy with it, can you give a reason why it would not be satisfactory?
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Possibly because once its burried/plastered over, there might not be ANY indication of the cabl in such a position.
 
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odawire said:
There's a multitude of ways the job could be done, there was an insinuation that to crimp and bury was a cowboys trick, which is total BS. I would be perfectly happy with it, can you give a reason why it would not be satisfactory?
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That's you isn't it, but i'll ask you again would you consider an in-line joint plastered over in a wall, as being a professionally finished job?? I'm not particularly concerned whether it's acceptable or not, ....it's not in my book!! As i'm sure it's not in many of the more professional electricians here!!
 
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I've even known some sparks to crimp cables that are two short to reach their final destination and "loose them" inside a conduit run, then argue that there's nothing wrong with it as long as they're crimped correctly lol
 
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KAS1 said:
I've even known some sparks to crimp cables that are two short to reach their final destination and "loose them" inside a conduit run, then argue that there's nothing wrong with it as long as they're crimped correctly lol
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Out of interest, what is wrong with a crimped and sleeved joint inside conduit? Daz
 
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KAS1 said:
I've even known some sparks to crimp cables that are two short to reach their final destination and "loose them" inside a conduit run, then argue that there's nothing wrong with it as long as they're crimped correctly lol
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Whatever happed to the old saying ''measure Twice then measure again and Cut''!! ..lol!!
 
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What if there was a repair to do in a long run of cable, which would take a long time to rip out and re-run? Daz
 
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Engineer54 said:
Whatever happed to the old saying ''measure Twice then measure again and Cut''!! ..lol!!
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It's still around as far as I know, but not with some I fear, I worked on a conduit job a few years ago (2 year contract) not once did any of the 20 or so sparks need through crimps, if they'd of asked in the stores for them I'm afraid they'd of been given the "What For" and told to do the job properly.
 
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I have heard of various things, but I was interested to know why you shouldn't repair a cable inside a conduit run by the crimp and sleeve method. Daz
 
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