Cooker control unit - inside cupboard?

[saveloy]

It should be mounted to the fabric of the building and not the actual carcase.

 

[ash_s3]

It should be mounted to the fabric of the building and not the actual carcase.

Should be or must be??

This seems such a grey area.

 

[saveloy]

Should be or must be??

This seems such a grey area.

This quote is used on various BC websites under Part P guidance :

For the purposes of Building Regulations a fixed electrical system means those parts of the wiring and appliances that are fixed to the building fabric, for example cables, sockets, switches, fuse-boxes, immersion heaters and ceiling fittings.

I also think I've read that switches sockets etc should be fixed to the fabric, in the green IEE building regs guide. Can't be sure though as my mate has it at the moment.

I agree with you though( grey area) as my mate was told on his NIC assesment that it was ok to fix to cabinets.
My objection to it (apart from what the regs say) is that if for any reason a carcase needs to be removed

a) having electrical items fixed to cabinet with cables drilled through or attatched will make this nearly
impossible without dismantling the electrical circuit, and
b) Any inexperienced person trying to dismantle said kitchen may well cause damage to the wiring or
accessories or give themselves a shock whilst dismantling it.

 

[sparks1234]

This quote is used on various BC websites under Part P guidance :

For the purposes of Building Regulations a fixed electrical system means those parts of the wiring and appliances that are fixed to the building fabric, for example cables, sockets, switches, fuse-boxes, immersion heaters and ceiling fittings.

I also think I've read that switches sockets etc should be fixed to the fabric, in the green IEE building regs guide. Can't be sure though as my mate has it at the moment.

I agree with you though( grey area) as my mate was told on his NIC assesment that it was ok to fix to cabinets.
My objection to it (apart from what the regs say) is that if for any reason a carcase needs to be removed

a) having electrical items fixed to cabinet with cables drilled through or attatched will make this nearly
impossible without dismantling the electrical circuit, and
b) Any inexperienced person trying to dismantle said kitchen may well cause damage to the wiring or
accessories or give themselves a shock whilst dismantling it.

Thats a bit like saying I need to take the wheels off my car to get to the brake pads, I have never heard so much pony, so what if the pattresse needs to be removed, its 2 screws, there is nothing wrong with an isolator in a cupboard, read previously in this thread, the NIC approved it, Elecsa approve it as do the local authorities...now what is the problem?

 

[ash_s3]

Agreed with Sparks1234, the circuit can be safely isolated at the CCU, if some idiot decides to fiddle with it without de-energising the circuit that would be up to them.

What happens about light fittings (recessed spot lights etc..) in kitchen cupboards? surely these are a fixed light fitting?

 

[flukey]

as long as the switch stays accessible i cant see a problem.

that would mean not cluttering the cupboard with the sort of things you would normally expect to find inside.

i personally would only fit to the fabric of the building irrelevant of who says what

 

[saveloy]

Thats a bit like saying I need to take the wheels off my car to get to the brake pads, I have never heard so much pony, so what if the pattresse needs to be removed, its 2 screws, there is nothing wrong with an isolator in a cupboard, read previously in this thread, the NIC approved it, Elecsa approve it as do the local authorities...now what is the problem?

Err. did I say there was was any thing wrong with an isolater in a cupboard?
Put your bins on and read my post properly.

Only 2 screws? What about cthe cabling to it? Where is that routed? Or do you use some sort of magic wireless cooker isolater switch?

Have the NIC or ELECSA approved it?
Please show me some evidence of that I'd be interested to see it.

It was my own personal view so wind your neck in Idiot.

Mod Edit: Do NOT insult other members

 

[ash_s3]

Handbags down guys!!

Would fitting a 47mm surface pattress to the wall and cutting the cupboard around it, qualify to fitting to the fabric of the building?

 

[saveloy]

Handbags down guys!!

Would fitting a 47mm surface pattress to the wall and cutting the cupboard around it, qualify to fitting to the fabric of the building?

Yep. Thats what I do, when there is no suitable place to put it outside the cupboard. Had to do it on my last kitchen job.

 

[flukey]

Handbags down guys!!

Would fitting a 47mm surface pattress to the wall and cutting the cupboard around it, qualify to fitting to the fabric of the building?

sounds like a solution.

dont forget though it has to be accessible, emptying a cupboard to reach it isnt accessible

 

[ash_s3]

Cheers saveloy, could look a bit rough though im thinking.

 

[saveloy]

Cheers saveloy, could look a bit rough though im thinking.

Depends on who is fitting the kitchen and how good they are. If they know how to use a router it will look fine.

sounds like a solution.

dont forget though it has to be accessible, emptying a cupboard to reach it isnt accessible

I had this problem. Trouble was it was a galley kitchen with a tall cooker unit , next came a surface mounted hob and followed by a sink under a window. The only bit of wall was above the hob (where they wanted a stainless splashback anyway). The only place I could get the isolator(within 2M) was in a cupboard under the hob! Whaddya do?

 

[flukey]

Depends on who is fitting the kitchen and how good they are. If they know how to use a router it will look fine.



I had this problem. Trouble was it was a galley kitchen with a tall cooker unit , next came a surface mounted hob and followed by a sink under a window. The only bit of wall was above the hob (where they wanted a stainless splashback anyway). The only place I could get the isolator(within 2M) was in a cupboard under the hob! Whaddya do?

fit it right at the front so it cant be blocked in i suppose

 

[sparks1234]

Err. did I say there was was any thing wrong with an isolater in a cupboard?
Put your bins on and read my post properly.

Only 2 screws? What about cthe cabling to it? Where is that routed? Or do you use some sort of magic wireless cooker isolater switch?

Have the NIC or ELECSA approved it?
Please show me some evidence of that I'd be interested to see it.

It was my own personal view so wind your neck in Idiot.

Mod Edit: Do NOT insult other members

As I said, the pattresse is held on with 2 screws, obviously there may or maynot be trunking or clips, many kitchen fitters bring the cables through at the top of a cupboard section above your tomato ketchup etc so there would be not need for any other fixings, and just so you know when I install cables behind the cabinets they are generally installed in trunking to the point where they go into the cabinet, the kitchen fitter pulls them through, pattresse on the front, job done, client happy as they dont see loads of spurs etc, authority happy. If there is an issue with a cupboard being jammed full of who knows what the yes we would use some mini-trunking.

I think you will see earlier in the thread that yes the NIC have approved it and I am with Elecsa and yes they approved it too

Hope that passifies you

 

[Jono Pashley]

Sorry to go off topic but if you mods want to bring a members attention to their behaviour either infract them, send a pm etc dont write in red all over the place your not a school teacher marking homework.