Customer wiring own electrics

[Sb8389]

Hey guys
Went to a customer today who wanted some electrical work looking at. Turned up and he showed me a granny annexe he had wired himself. (He has assured me he has 30years experience in the industry) he now wants it testing and certifying and a part p certificate issuing. I’m not comfortable with putting my name to the install and doing an electrical installation certificate. What would you do in this situation and what are his options.

 

[Pete999]

What about the issuing of an EICR for a CU change? You inspect and test the whole installation which you haven't designed and installed?

You test, yes, inspect what you can see, yes, but you can't inspect the wiring in it's entirety because most of it is under the floor or buried, plus how can you be sure that the installation has been installed correctly? the answer is simple you can't.
An EICR is recommended prior to a CU change but on completion of the CU change an EIC will be required in my opinion.

 

[buzzlightyear]

Fat alan , i would not do any thing regarding any work carried out by some one unless its me own work.cant see it walk away .

 

[Charlie_]

In this situation I would do the testing side of the EIC and sign it as such..
The designer and installer would sign his section..
Submit certificate to building control

 

[DPG]

In this situation I would do the testing side of the EIC and sign it as such..
The designer and installer would sign his section..

Designer - now, where's the 'optimistic' emoji?

 

[Charlie_]

Designer - now, where's the 'optimistic' emoji?

If the guy has 30yrs experience but isn’t registered with a scheme..
What’s the issue with him being the designer?

 

[DPG]

If the guy has 30yrs experience but isn’t registered with a scheme..
What’s the issue with him being the designer?

You're probably right - I just got the impression he may have been winging it a bit and doing it on the cheap. But then I'm quite cynical me

 

[Spoon]

You're probably right - I just got the impression he may have been winging it a bit and doing it on the cheap. But then I'm quite cynical me

It's this forum.. Brings the worse out in us... I blame all the electricians who are on holiday all the time...

 

[RWJ]

You could get this bloke in does NICEIC third party certs.

 

[davesparks]

No one’s suggesting that an EICR can be used to certify work Dave (at least I'm not)
But what you can't do is issue an EIC now, that bird has already flown.
All that you can do is, at the client’s request, undertake an electrical inspection and issue an EICR. What the client does with it is entirely up to him.

Why can't an EIC be issued? The model form for the EIC allows for seperate designer, installer and tester, you can complete the EIC as tester only with the customers details for designer and installer. What you can't do is notify it under your own scheme registration.

But you know that the customer will try to use the EICR I place of an EIC which is clearly wrong.
What would you put as the reason for carrying out the EICR? Or the estimated age of the installation? If you put the correct age of the installation it will be pretty obvious to anyone that something dodgy is going on.

 

[Toneyz]

You test, yes, inspect what you can see, yes, but you can't inspect the wiring in it's entirety because most of it is under the floor or buried, plus how can you be sure that the installation has been installed correctly? the answer is simple you can't.
An EICR is recommended prior to a CU change but on completion of the CU change an EIC will be required in my opinion.

And just to add to Pete's post regarding C.U. change, there is a part for comments on the existing installation on the EIC

 

[Markyd]

no...no...nono...no...no....no...no..nono....

 

[AJshep]

I agree A EICR cannot be used to certify new works, the problem with an EIC is it should not be issued if there are defects with the installation 100% of the installation should be tested and for a new installation there should be no limitations.
There is no way i would tick alot of the boxes the boxes in section 8.0 of the report as you just don't know what this chap has done, could be anything burried under the floorboards or plaster.

Personally I'd leave him to carry out a EIC he has 30 years experience, do your EICR if there are any defects you still get paid plus you can charge for correcting them.

 

[mattg4321]

Why can't an EIC be issued? The model form for the EIC allows for seperate designer, installer and tester, you can complete the EIC as tester only with the customers details for designer and installer. What you can't do is notify it under your own scheme registration.

But you know that the customer will try to use the EICR I place of an EIC which is clearly wrong.
What would you put as the reason for carrying out the EICR? Or the estimated age of the installation? If you put the correct age of the installation it will be pretty obvious to anyone that something dodgy is going on.

There IS something dodgy going on though!

Not often I disagree with you Dave, but I wouldn't be doing an EIC for work I didn't carry out and I certainly wouldn't notify either.

In my opinion it's not new work to me, it's an existing installation. In this instance I always offer to carry out an EICR. It's up to the customer what they do with it, but usually that will satisfy LABC in this area at least.

It's not right though really. If we have to have schemes etc it should be enforced, otherwise why do we all pay through the nose to be part of one? LABC should insist it is rewired and an EIC issued from the registered sparks. This would only have to happen a few times and chancer builders/kitchen fitters/homeowners etc etc would soon be scared off!

 

[Toneyz]

It seems that a lot of L.B.C. are happy with an EICR. I bet if it was construction and it got covered up they would want it opened up for inspection.

 

[SparkySy]

That is because most LABC's don't fully understand it ether.
I was talking with a building inspector the other day and he said they had had a days training on part p. A day! He said it was almost a waste of a day and most of the inspectors that went just saw it as a free tea and a feed day out!
Really doesn't seem right somehow does it!!