Day rate

[Jaytbaez]

Yeah, that's the trick allright.

 

[SolarCity]

I know several PV wholesalers that have become so ****ed off with installers ringing them up for quotes and specs, then going straight to source, that they are now going to sell to the public.

Who are these wholesalers?

 

[dansk]

i think its suicidal discussing day rates and proffits on the open forum.

 

[Jaytbaez]

In what way Dansk?

 

[dansk]

Just dont think its good pratice to discuss openly trade prices and put ideas that dont need putting into an already fragile mind. We have a sun lounge for this type of discussion.

 

[dansk]

Jaytbaez,

just curious, what do you think is involved with the supply, install of a solar pv system?

 

[SolarCity]

And more to the point, what does Jaytbaez think he can offer to the customer that the rest of us can't?

 

[jason121]

You cannot run a business on £150.00 aday
You can sub-contract to a busineess for that and walk away at night without the hassle.
I would rather work at Tesco
There is lot more to PV than just installing it.

 

[Earthstore]

I just copied my own post on the thread (Link included), Your idea can not work, not if the customer wants to claim the FIT, it is against the rules, and rightly so in my opinion.

"It is all about a paper trail.
If you are MCS accredited, you can buy the products and then use subcontractors to complete the whole install, because you will have the paper trail from beginning to end, should there be a problem with any of the install the customer would have one point of contact, who is responsible for the whole install.
But you can not sign off a job that somebody else has sourced the equipment and installed it, who would the customer go to if there was a problem? The person who installed it? The person who supplied the equipment? Or the person who signed it off?

If you think about it it makes sense really.

I hope this helps."

Read more: http://www.electriciansforums.net/p...m/59450-sign-off-pv-system.html#ixzz1z7jrdVqG​

 

[Gavin A]

£150 a day doing self employed day rate labour is poverty level wages unless you're living 3 to a room on beans and toast.
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Gavin, I live in the North East and can pick up the phone and get a bricky, sparky, plasterer for £150 a day, is that peasant money everywhere else i the UK?
And they all have their tools.

I'm looking at it from a possible agency pov, IF THE INDUSTRY GOES A CERTAIN WAY, MAYBE 4 OR 5 DAYS WORK A WEEK COULD BE GUARANTEED?


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yes, but none of them also have to do the level of paperwork and assessments that we do.

IME for every day on site you need to factor in at least half a day of office time just to complete the paperwork.

also, while plastering is sometimes one off small jobs, it will mostly be jobs lasting 1-2 weeks at a time replastering entire houses or parts of, same with sparks doing rewires.

with us, it's a day or 2 per job max on domestic, maybe 3-4 days on commercial other than the biggest stuff.

so for every days work you get on a domestic job, you're going to probably have to spend at least a day on average drumming up that business, probably a lot more, and half a day doing paperwork to sign it off, and you want to do that for £150. Frankly either you're having a laugh, or you've not thought this through at all.

 

[Jaytbaez]

Jaytbaez,

just curious, what do you think is involved with the supply, install of a solar pv system?

I'm no expert, and in no shape or form are claiming to be, but is it, sales visit, survey, materials, install, paperwork, invoice?

 

[Jaytbaez]

And more to the point, what does Jaytbaez think he can offer to the customer that the rest of us can't?

I'm not claiming to offer anything, I'm sure every PV installer on here is the bee's knees, but I've been reading despite that, some are getting just 1 enquiry a week, so just cannot be busy, so that given, my original post was, would these very adept installers do day work if they had nothing else on, and if so, what would installers charge, more than sparkys? plumbers? brickys?

 

[Jaytbaez]

You cannot run a business on £150.00 aday
You can sub-contract to a busineess for that and walk away at night without the hassle.
I would rather work at Tesco
There is lot more to PV than just installing it.

I totally accept there is paperwork involved, there is in most jobs, so are you saying that the day rate of £150 or even £200 is too low do do paperwork? I know plenty of other professions and professionals that don't earn that for doing paperwork?

 

[Gavin A]

I'm no expert, and in no shape or form are claiming to be, but is it, sales visit, survey, materials, install, paperwork, invoice?

you missed out -

design quote, redesign, talk the customer through it, redesign and requote > sale = advance to next stage / no sale = return to start (via marketing, trying to drum up inquiries etc)

paperword, structural calculations, EPC, equipment order, commission, paperwork, invoice, receipt, talk customer through paperwork...

and then don't forget the ongoing warranty liabilities.

all for £150.

as I say it's poverty wages, and you'd not last 3 months if you tried it unless you were actually just subbing for companies who did everything else and could pretty much guarantee you 3-5 days work a week average, which isn't what you've been suggesting.

 

[Jaytbaez]

so for every days work you get on a domestic job, you're going to probably have to spend at least a day on average drumming up that business, probably a lot more, and half a day doing paperwork to sign it off, and you want to do that for £150. Frankly either you're having a laugh, or you've not thought this through at all.
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But if you didn't have to drum up the business, someone else had, and was just saying, do the 2 days install and the day paperwork, are you saying that £150-200 per day is not enough? I'm not having a laugh at all mate, and not trying to offend, but given that you've just told me its 2 days to do an install and another to do the paperwork, -------- I'm sure some punters if they had looked into it would be thinking that profit was having a laugh.
Except more and more punters are now asking themselves, why is an installer wanting to make so much profit on a 3 day job? They will and are looking at ways of doing it themselves or not at all.


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