Death penalty

[D Skelton]

My idea of the perfect prison system for serious offenders:

A penal colony, on an island, in the middle of nowhere. The whole island walled and guarded by geezers with big guns on towers. Dump the scum on the island and leave them to it. Basic rations to be dropped once a month. Cheap and cheerful.

 

[GB.Kayak]

My idea of the perfect prison system for serious offenders:

A penal colony, on an island, in the middle of nowhere. The whole island walled and guarded by geezers with big guns on towers. Dump the scum on the island and leave them to it. Basic rations to be dropped once a month. Cheap and cheerful.

Already tried that ... place called New South Wales on the continent of Australia! Are you volunteering for a tour of duty?

... mind you sentencing then was much harder than it is now.

 

[Engineer54]

Why give terrorists what they want just to save a couple of quid?
And would it not be a bit cheaper if nobody went around murdering people in the street in the first place?

It's NOT just a couple of quid though is it, the money spent on keeping this scum in prison for life could be far better spent elsewhere!!
Who gives a flying f**k if these scum think they are martyrs or not, we'll be well rid of them, end of!!

 

[shanky887614]

How will making terrorists martyrs discourage the next generation of terrorists?

The media have a part to play in this as well - everyone knows the name 'Raoul Moat' but who can name the copper he shot? If there's no such thing as bad publicity, why give all the publicity to the killer and none to the victim?
Conversely everyone knows the name 'Lee Rigby' and recognises this picture:
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but how many people could name the two who killed him, or visualise what they look like? They wanted to be shot on sight - to be made martyrs and gain publicity for what they believed in, but (IMO rightly) Lee Rigby is the one who is remembered.

If terrorists can expect to live out the rest of their days lying forgotten in some jail while their victims are hailed as heroes, then what is the point of them killing in the first place?

if the terrorists are dead there wont be a new generation of terrorists

 

[Engineer54]

My idea of the perfect prison system for serious offenders:

A penal colony, on an island, in the middle of nowhere. The whole island walled and guarded by geezers with big guns on towers. Dump the scum on the island and leave them to it. Basic rations to be dropped once a month. Cheap and cheerful.

Unfortunately, the Anoraks from ''Amnesty International'' and the like, will be screaming from the rooftops. Just can't do anything like that anymore. The French penal colonies of the 20's had the right idea, and was along very similar lines to your proposal!! lol!!

 

[Besoeker]

The cost of keeping them in prison, at a cost of hundreds of thousands of pounds a year sounds like a pretty good reason to me!! Plus there's zero chance to indoctrinate others while they are incarcerated either!!

Unless the other inmates are predisposed to their indoctrination.

 

[Adam W]

Who gives a flying f**k if these scum think they are martyrs or not, we'll be well rid of them, end of!!

They do, which is one of the reasons they do it. Sure you can shoot them, but there are plenty of others who will take their place.

 

[RogertheBodger]

They do, which is one of the reasons they do it. Sure you can shoot them, but there are plenty of others who will take their place.

So shoot them as well, I'm not so sure any of them WANT to be martyrs.

In the words of George S. Patton:- No poor dumb b*****d ever won a war by dying for his country, he won the war by making the other poor, dumb b*****d die for his country.

If they want to be martyrs, good luck.

 

[Engineer54]

They do, which is one of the reasons they do it. Sure you can shoot them, but there are plenty of others who will take their place.

Exactly so what are you worrying about, at least the ones that are caught are permanently out of the picture, ...6 foot under!!

Actually, there are very defined parameters within the Koran for calling Jihad and being a Jihad martyr, and none of them has anything to do with wholesale indiscriminate killing of civilians because they don't follow the Koran or their version of the Koran...

You'll not change anything i'm afraid they believe what they want to believe and do exactly as they are told by those that have no intention of putting themselves in harms way!!

 

[Adam W]

Exactly so what are you worrying about, at least the ones that are caught are permanently out of the picture, ...6 foot under!!

Actually, there are very defined parameters within the Koran for calling Jihad and being a Jihad martyr, and none of them has anything to do with wholesale indiscriminate killing of civilians because they don't follow the Koran or their version of the Koran...

You'll not change anything i'm afraid they believe what they want to believe and do exactly as they are told by those that have no intention of putting themselves in harms way!!

I don't know that the Koran has much relevance here - these are extremists who believe their religion justifies killing a soldier or policeman in the country where they live. Or killing a member of their own family who they believe has brought shame on the family.
The outcome these extremists are looking for is to be shot by the police for doing something they believe is in the interests of their religion, and not to get beaten up in jail. If they believe dying in this way will ensure them a better next life, the threat of being shot dead is no deterrent, it's even an incentive.

 

[BES]

I'm am for the death penalty in certain cases not always so I used to be completely againts it and the reason I changed my view I won't go into now.
I have been facinated by the subject since I read Albert Pierrpoints biography when I was a teenager , a man who hung over 600 people including 90% of the most famous cases in recent british criminal history including numerous ---- war criminals in his time as ' No 1 executioner of britain ' who after he ' retired ' thought capital punishment was wrong !!!
We have to be extremly carefull when discussing this subject because we tend to forget the victims and I think I such cases as lee rigby , huntley , sutcliff where proof is without doubt the victims families should have some say in the punishment.

 

[trev]

With modern forensic techniques hopefully miscarriages of justice won't happen so much.

And when they do?
"Oh, sorry we hanged your brother/son/wife/daughter by mistake" isn't really going to cut the mustard is it?

 

[RogertheBodger]

And when they do?
"Oh, sorry we hanged your brother/son/wife/daughter by mistake" isn't really going to cut the mustard is it?

Let's hope they don't. For Countries that still use the death penalty, this is the chance they take, and the main reason that the penalty has been abolished in many Countries.

As far as the the UK is concerned, were the death penalty to be reintroduced (which is highly unlikely) for the most serious of offenders it is to be hoped that with modern techniques guilt would be able to be proven beyond ANY doubt.

 

[trev]

Let's hope they don't. For Countries that still use the death penalty, this is the chance they take, and the main reason that the penalty has been abolished in many Countries.

As far as the the UK is concerned, were the death penalty to be reintroduced (which is highly unlikely) for the most serious of offenders it is to be hoped that with modern techniques guilt would be able to be proven beyond ANY doubt.

Timothy Evans and Barry George, two people who were found guilty beyond reasonable doubt (which is the legal test) one was hanged and the other would have been had we still had the death penalty.

 

[rapparee]

As for terrorists, shoot on sight.

Like what happened to jean charles de menzes that brazillian electrician