DIYers/Builders...when will it end

[J&M Electrical]

How much longer are Builder and DIY'ers going to carry on 'de-valuing' our trade. It seems the more i read on here and the more i see out on site DIY electrics are getting more and more common. It winds me up that we go to college for 3/4 Years to get a qualification that enables us to work safely yet every Tom Dick and Harry can go into B&Q/Screwfix etc buy some cable and sockets, have a quick look at a diagram B&Q have kindly put up for them and then go home and bodge their electrics. The Gas lads seem to be starting to get it sorted but we haven't. Personally the only way i think this will stop is to give every qualified electrician a card similar to the Gas Safe card and make it law that electrical items can only be sold to people who hold this card. Am i on my own or do others feel the same? Sorry to rant but it makes my blood boil.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Still can't see the bigger picture then!!! Restrictive trading of electrical materials will only make material prices HIGHER!! and will reduce your work not increase it... And it will still not stop the home DIYer from working and doing jobs in his own home!!!

Your seeing a problem that just ISN'T there in the first place. It's the builders Plumber's, Kitchen Fitters and all the other tradesmen that are hiring there services to do electrical work that is your problem, and these so-called scheme providers (that your paying extortionate fee's too) that are officially allowing them to do it!! As i said before, You need to sort out your own back yard before you start worrying about the non existent problems with home owner DIYers...

exactly my point earlier eng about divvys comeing along and hireing themselves out to do electrical work in other peoples homes/property without the slightest incling of either:

1)what they are doing

2)what needs doing

3) how to do the job compliantly

 

[Dave 85]

This is gonna make me popular....
I've said it before and Im gonna say it again....
I have no problem with Part P registration.
Ok I'm young and I've never known anything else but Im glad its there.
£350 a year is chump change as far as I'm concerned, gas fitters have to pay an arm and a leg to stay registered.
I use Elecsa, they're always on hand for advice if I need it and my annual inspection keeps my standards from slipping.
Now I know some of ypu are gonna come out and say the introduction of Part P has NEVER deterred a SINGLE kitchen fitter/builder from doing his own wiring. This is a load of crap. Ok so I realise lots of you see evidence of other trades doing electrical work but I hardly see any (not in brown and blue, plenty of DIY bodging in white T&E though). When I chat to other trades about it they say things to the effect of "I used to do all my own wiring but I'm not allowed any more cos of part P"
I'm certain that I would have significantly less work on without it.

IMO its better to have a kitchen fitter whos had five weeks intensive electrical training and had to pass both practical and theory exams, aswell as being assesed on his competence once a year (ok its hard to fail, but they're gonna point out what you're doing wrong) doing wiring than a kitchen fitter whos just seen a sparky do it a few times.
I know at least 3 tradesmen who have done the part P course then realised afterwards that they still cant legally work without being registered and given up, who don't do their own wiring (they all use me).

 

[Dave 85]

Ok so its a bit silly that a fully trained experience sparky who works for a company isn't allowed to so his own notifiable private work but if it were me I'd just do it anyway instead os sitting on the net moaning about it day in day out.

 

[Geordie Spark]

Ok so its a bit silly that a fully trained experience sparky who works for a company isn't allowed to so his own notifiable private work but if it were me I'd just do it anyway instead os sitting on the net moaning about it day in day out.

Thank flock for that !!!!

I was sitting here thinking I was all alone !!!

 

[alarm man]

Ok so its a bit silly that a fully trained experience sparky who works for a company isn't allowed to so his own notifiable private work but if it were me I'd just do it anyway instead os sitting on the net moaning about it day in day out.

ive done a bit,and im not part p as its known,i do have a guide to part p regs book tho.it doesnt stop any spark doing what they have done for years anyway imo

 

[trev]

To a point, we should be thankful for the existence of the DIYer and for the sheds that supply him/her. For example, today I have had two calls from people who have decided to put their own light fittings in. Red to red black to black turn on and bang Er I'd best phone a sparky.
Easy money for an easy job

 

[Geordie Spark]

ive done a bit,and im not part p as its known,i do have a guide to part p regs book tho.it doesnt stop any spark doing what they have done for years anyway imo

As long as you have a guide to Part P you'll always be able to wipe yer arse & light yer fire.

 

[trev]

ive done a bit,and im not part p as its known,i do have a guide to part p regs book tho.it doesnt stop any spark doing what they have done for years anyway imo

It also never stops a cowboy

 

[Dave 85]

ive done a bit,and im not part p as its known,i do have a guide to part p regs book tho.it doesnt stop any spark doing what they have done for years anyway imo

Exactly. It was never intended to stop qualified employed electicians doing their own work, that was just a side effect. I can't see how you'd ever get in trouble for it. For a sparky who spends most of their time doing private domestic jobs its in their own interest to be registered to avoid the odd problem with building inspectors and because it looks more pro if you can put on yr letter head 'registered competent person'

If you're a qual'd spark whos not registered doing private domestic jobs the only thing you are doing is a minor breach of building regs, which any decent builder does on a regular basis.

 

[alarm man]

As long as you have a guide to Part P you'll always be able to wipe yer arse & light yer fire.

it s not a bad read really when your sitiing there when it wont come out,prefer the ronny gill most times..
:wink_smile:

 

[alarm man]

Exactly. It was never intended to stop qualified employed electicians doing their own work, that was just a side effect. I can't see how you'd ever get in trouble for it. For a sparky who spends most of their time doing private domestic jobs its in their own interest to be registered to avoid the odd problem with building inspectors and because it looks more pro if you can put on yr letter head 'registered competent person'

If you're a qual'd spark whos not registered doing private domestic jobs the only thing you are doing is a minor breach of building regs, which any decent builder does on a regular basis.

ive never worried about it to be fair,and as far as i know no one as ever been up in front of the beak for not being part p as its known

 

[Geordie Spark]

To a point, we should be thankful for the existence of the DIYer and for the sheds that supply him/her. For example, today I have had two calls from people who have decided to put their own light fittings in. Red to red black to black turn on and bang Er I'd best phone a sparky.
Easy money for an easy job

............ blue to Hell.

 

[oldtimer]

I see that on page 13 of this months March edition of the Professional Electrician The NICEIC "The UK,s leading voluntery regulatory body" is encouraging free transfers from your current scheme providor because "they run several campaigns throughout the year that helps contractors get more jobs" because they are NICEIC badged.

Well Well thank God somebody is looking after standards in the industry so does that mean the rest of the Schemies are just dross then ?

 

[GLENNSPARK]

was doing some work at leighs (my boss) house today......lunchtime..telly on....and it was rogue traders...there he was going on about `well the electrics have been sorted out by an NIC part p qualified electrician`....nearly fell off the sofa laughing.....and theres more.....this presenter was rambling on about how a cable feeding a socket had been `extended`...by twisting the conductors together and taping up....bit of plaster over the joint...jobs a good un....but it was the way he went on and on about it....i mean we see this kind of crap all the time....so get over it ...just sort it out for the girl.....

 

[Golden_Boy]

Ok so its a bit silly that a fully trained experience sparky who works for a company isn't allowed to so his own notifiable private work but if it were me I'd just do it anyway instead os sitting on the net moaning about it day in day out.

I did all my own house and guess what ?? I'm still here !!!