UK Do I need to update my 18th edition for Amendment 2 ?

[Ventricular Fibrillation]

Got my 18th Ed certificate late last year, now doing 2391. Obviously Amendment 2 has come out since then, and I see these courses available to update your 18th accordingly.
But at what point would this be needed? I assume it's not a legal requirement. If I got my 2391 and NVQ in the next year and applied for a gold card, would my 18th cert be classed as not current unless I update it? Thanks.

 

[mainline]

Just so I'm clear, you've been doing electrical work, including new circuits and consumer units, for years without notifying anybody?

Why do you think it 'shouldn't cost you anything' ?

It seems a bit dodgy that you don't want to pay money to notify work, and you don't want to pay money to take courses.

Presumably you do issues EICs and MW certs for the work though?

It sounds to me like he's on a wind up.

 

[DPG]

It sounds to me like he's on a wind up.

It has crossed my mind too. We are perhaps bring taken in.

 

[timhoward]

I'm pretty sure I could prove competecy to any reasonable person. I may not have the most up to date paperwork but that doesn't mean I'm not more or less conversant with safe installation work, it simply mean that I have not had the opertunity to be appraised of the up to date requirements to provide some sort of paperwork.

If we take you at your word, then the exceptionally irritating thing is that until last year there was a way to do exactly that, prove competency by demonstration (3 written exams and 1 practical exam). So you missed the chance to get 18th edition (1 exam) and quietly get into a CPS scheme through the back door. Sadly for you that option has now gone away.

 

[Spoon]

I'm pretty sure I could prove competecy to any reasonable person. I may not have the most up to date paperwork but that doesn't mean I'm not more or less conversant with safe installation work, it simply mean that I have not had the opertunity to be appraised of the up to date requirements to provide some sort of paperwork.

How can you say your work is safe if you don't even know the up-to-date regs?
e.g. Do you install your cables so that premature collapse in an event of a fire is not an issue?
From your posts I can only assume you don't.

edit: I'm with the opinions above that this is all just a wind up.

 

[Brian Taylor]

Or every time you do a Jon you notify building control and add that into the cost of the job.

I change a lot of sockets.

 

[Brian Taylor]

How can you say your work is safe if you don't even know the up-to-date regs?
e.g. Do you install your cables so that premature collapse in an event of a fire is not an issue?
From your posts I can only assume you don't.

edit: I'm with the opinions above that this is all just a wind up.

I'm guessing you are referring to the metal clips to support the cabling with plastic trunking?

 

[Julie.]

Secondly define if you would please a competent electrician...

Competency is outlined in the wiring regulations.

Competent electrician may be defined in several ways having minor differences, but essentially if you read the entry qualifications to be a member of the Competent persons scheme for the type of electrical work you do, that is typical of the standard used throughout the industry.

Essentially
Level 3 in installation (your C&G will do).
(Including testing)
Current regulations.
Current building regulations where applicable.
Demonstrate to an inspector that your work meets the current standards.

Etc.

Many councils also define this for acceptance of notifiable work from non-scheme members and for inspection work, for example:


submitted in connection with:
• Housing licensing applications under Parts 2 & 3 of ‘The Housing Act 2004’ (Mandatory
HMO, Additional HMO and Selective licensing)
or in compliance with;
• Regulation 3 (1) of ‘The Electrical Safety Standards in the Private Rented sector (England)
Regulations 2020’ (SI 312:2020)
and
• Regulation 7 (3) of ‘The Licensing and Management of Houses in Multiple Occupation
(Additional Provisions) (England) Regulations 2007’ (SI 1903:2007) – as applicable to
‘Section 257 HMOs’,
has / have been produced by a person both qualified and specifically competent to undertake
inspection and testing of fixed electrical installations.
In line with current government guidance, the Local Housing Authority (LHA) may do this by:
1. checking if the inspector is a member of a relevant competent person scheme, via the
‘Registered Competent Person Electrical’ website:

Home

and / or
2. “requiring the inspector to sign a checklist certifying their competence, including their
experience, whether they have adequate insurance and hold a qualification covering
the current version of the wiring regulations and in the periodic inspection, testing and
certification of electrical installations”.

 

[Julie.]

I'm guessing you are referring to the metal clips to support the cabling with plastic trunking?

But it covers much more than that, you said your work is safe, so it must be compliant with the regulations.

If you do think your work is acceptable, just do a search on-line for 18th edition test questions.

You should find places where you can take a simulated exam on line for free, you should be able to skip through in 10-15mins (although you would be more careful and take your time in the real exam).

Now, I don't think you would pass as you by your own admission don't have the latest regs, but even without the latest you should be achieving 60%+

Perhaps that will give you a perspective on where you are/need to be.

We just have your posts and words to judge, so that isn't a real representation on your actual level.

 

[Brian Taylor]

I'm guessing you are referring to the metal clips to support the cabling with plastic trunking?

@Brian Taylor are you winding us up because quite frankly unless you have been on another planet I find it difficult to believe you are unaware of Part P and its requirements.

Well maybe not in your side of the job but please have some sense of

Competency is outlined in tha wiring regulations.

Competent electrician may be defined in several ways having minor differences, but essentially if you read the entry qualifications to be a member of the Competent persons scheme for the type of electrical work you do, that is typical of the standard used throughout the industry.

Essentially
Level 3 in installation (your C&G will do).
(Including testing)
Current regulations.
Current building regulations where applicable.
Demonstrate to an inspector that your work meets the current standards.

Etc.

Many councils also define this for acceptance of notifiable work from non-scheme members and for inspection work, for example:


submitted in connection with:
• Housing licensing applications under Parts 2 & 3 of ‘The Housing Act 2004’ (Mandatory
HMO, Additional HMO and Selective licensing)
or in compliance with;
• Regulation 3 (1) of ‘The Electrical Safety Standards in the Private Rented sector (England)
Regulations 2020’ (SI 312:2020)
and
• Regulation 7 (3) of ‘The Licensing and Management of Houses in Multiple Occupation
(Additional Provisions) (England) Regulations 2007’ (SI 1903:2007) – as applicable to
‘Section 257 HMOs’,
has / have been produced by a person both qualified and specifically competent to undertake
inspection and testing of fixed electrical installations.
In line with current government guidance, the Local Housing Authority (LHA) may do this by:
1. checking if the inspector is a member of a relevant competent person scheme, via the
‘Registered Competent Person Electrical’ website:

Home

and / or
2. “requiring the inspector to sign a checklist certifying their competence, including their
experience, whether they have adequate insurance and hold a qualification covering
the current version of the wiring regulations and in the periodic inspection, testing and
certification of electrical installations”.

Wow you must really like bookwork , but from what you have listed I guess I quality as a Competent person, as I do as you correctly state have a C&G certificate and testing certificate, I do have access to a brown regs book, I have just been informed that one of my co workers has a copy of the building regulations that I can borrow and I'm reasonably confident that I can prove competecy. As for the rest I have no idea or interest in it..I'm far to old to be dragged into the petty buerocacy of local authorities.

 

[Julie.]

Well maybe not in your side of the job but please have some sense of

Wow you must really like bookwork , but from what you have listed I guess I quality as a Competent person, as I do as you correctly state have a C&G certificate and testing certificate, I do have access to a brown regs book, I have just been informed that one of my co workers has a copy of the building regulations that I can borrow and I'm reasonably confident that I can prove competecy. As for the rest I have no idea or interest in it..I'm far to old to be dragged into the petty buerocacy of local authorities.

I really suggest that you check yourself against an on-line 18th test.

Having access to a book doesn't prove competence

 

[Brian Taylor]

But it covers much more than that, you said your work is safe, so it must be compliant with the regulations.

If you do think your work is acceptable, just do a search on-line for 18th edition test questions.

You should find places where you can take a simulated exam on line for free, you should be able to skip through in 10-15mins (although you would be more careful and take your time in the real exam).

Now, I don't think you would pass as you by your own admission don't have the latest regs, but even without the latest you should be achieving 60%+

Perhaps that will give you a perspective on where you are/need to be.

We just have your posts and words to judge, so that isn't a real representation on your actual level.

Ah had no idea such question existed...as a matter of interest....is it absolutely required to pay for one of these very expensive regulations update courses or can I simply read the book and do an on line multiple choice paper?

 

[DPG]

Are you going to hold off doing any more notifiable work?

 

[Julie.]

Ah had no idea such question existed...as a matter of interest....is it absolutely required to pay for one of these very expensive regulations update courses or can I simply read the book and do an on line multiple choice paper?

Yes you can do the exam on-line.

You can also just do the exam in a examination facility (usually cheaper) as if you do it at home, someone has to watch you by webcam to ensure you don't cheat.

 

[Brian Taylor]

Are you going to hold off doing any more notifiable work?

Well I guess I'll have to get around that one..
I have in the past got someone else to produce a certificate for me ..

 

[Julie.]

Yes you can do the exam on-line.

You can also just do the exam in a examination facility (usually cheaper) as if you do it at home, someone has to watch you by webcam to ensure you don't cheat.

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Sorry I was misled on this one, I don't think they do exam only having re-read it.

Or

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Candidates can choose to undertake a 18th Edition Exam Only (no training), in multiple choice format of 60 questions in 2 hours.

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