Do socket outlets in a Pub need to be RCD/RCBO protected!

[MerlinGremlin]

What are peoples thoughts on this, should socket outlets in the general public areas be RCD/RCBO protected? I believe they do and have put them down as a C2 on a recent EICR but recently got a phone call to say it's a C3!

 

[The Ghost]

QS and Electrical Manager

Ah well thats different then...

 

[Ian1981]

It was the QS and Electrical Manager

Your QS?

 

[Ian1981]

It was the QS and Electrical Manager

Your QS?

 

[buzzlightyear]

Well of course that has been updated now so that Skilled persons bit has been removed.
Aha beaten to it by @Ian1981

weather its been up dated or not reg are the regs.

 

[MerlinGremlin]

To be honest I would C3 sockets domestically say for upstairs were sockets are generally not likely to be used for supplying outdoor equipment yet they can be multiple USB type so I don't see any relevance.
This is not domestic of course

We have the same issue with outdoor light fittings not being mechanically protected and wanting to put them on rcd/RCBO protection, it always gets knocked back.

 

[MerlinGremlin]

Your QS?

Yep

 

[buzzlightyear]

tell them, and its down to the test engineer and your the one that testing it.

 

[MerlinGremlin]

tell them, and its down to the test engineer and your the one that testing it.

Told them that and had many an argument over it, he changes the codings without us knowing it, we found out by one of the lads in the office telling us.

 

[buzzlightyear]

Told them that and had many an argument over it, he changes the codings without us knowing it, we found out by one of the lads in the office telling us.

the answer for that tell him to sign all the eicr test sheets .

 

[The Ghost]

I did some commercial buildings (EICR) and this is a very grey area. Not one CPS scheme can agree on this there is no coherent standard to work from and it is very much up to you the man on site to make your judgement. There were only about 10% RCD protected units/offices. In the end we recorded C3 for all the lack of RCD contingent upon the CEO agreeing to put in place a program of upgrades where RCD was lacking. It is a very contentious area at the moment, I fear it will get worse with the 18th. We did a general risk assessment for the lack of RCDs and it was noted that they had a very good system of checking regularly equipment, no history of accidents and maintenance was really good and conscientious. If it had lacked these factors we would definitely have recorded C2 for a lot of the lack of RCDs. I just wonder what the general condition of the pub was and maintenance etc. This would sway my decision accordingly. So what if you put it in writing and kept the email copy?

 

[Ian1981]

Told them that and had many an argument over it, he changes the codings without us knowing it, we found out by one of the lads in the office telling us.

Well that's nice of him to tell you and your guys.
It's poor management skills really and if he has issues with any coding going on he should have a talk about it to all operatives under his management/supervision

 

[buzzlightyear]

I bet he did not go the job!

 

[The Ghost]

sign all the eicr test sheets

Well he should anyway as QS

 

[buzzlightyear]

Well he should anyway as QS

your right their .

 

[davesparks]

We have the same issue with outdoor light fittings not being mechanically protected and wanting to put them on rcd/RCBO protection, it always gets knocked back.

That makes no sense at all, of course you've been knocked back.
An RCD does not provide any sort of mechanical protection, if mechanical protection is required then you need to install mechanical protection to rectify it.