Do we really need all these Regulations & Qualifications?

[linetech]

Hi all,

Just trying to put the feelers out on what people think of all the regulations the electrical industry has and whether the current crop of qualifications out there in colleges & learning centres are really worth the effort and necessary??

Thanks in advance for time & replies..

 

[Geordie Spark]

Hi all,

Just trying to put the feelers out on what people think ofall the regulations the electrical industry has and whether the current crop ofqualifications out there in colleges & learning centres are really worththe effort and necessary??

Thanks in advance for time & replies..

Speaking for myself ............. NO !!!

 

[stef]

Someone has to make money out of our profession ...

 

[Sparky Ninja]

The recognition that our standards result in their use all around the world has to stand for something.

All professions require training and monitoring - a mate of mine had to refresh his gas certs this week - pilots require annual tests at their expense - police officers require competence assessments and training.

If you don't want to be professional, then don't take up a profession.

 

[linetech]

Geordie

Would that be a no to the regulations or qualifications, or both?

 

[Jonny66]

I'd rephrase the question to "do we really need any more electricians coming out from all the colleges and training centers" (the word training used lightly)
I think in Australia new electricians (maybe only foreigners) have to pay an existing qualified electrician $30 000 to work with him/her for a year and gain experience, before being let loose and allowed to work alone...wow sounds wonderfully brilliant, clever, and I like it, so will never happen here.

 

[Geordie Spark]

Geordie

Would that be a no to the regulations or qualifications, or both?

Both ....................

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I'm retired.

 

[happyhippy68]

As an electrical engineer with additional trades I feel continual training and updating is the only way to stay in the game. I can see that a lot of money changes hands each time we have to retrain, but we should be pressing our governing bodies who take a nice wad off us every year to lobby HMRC to include our training on the Profession lists for tax deductions. Then the government and others can tell us to go on as many courses as they like as far as I am concerned. I can only claim about £300 a year before they start questioning what training I had and why.

 

[Geordie Spark]

The recognition that our standards result in their use all around the world has to stand for something.

All professions require training and monitoring - a mate of mine had to refresh his gas certs this week - pilots require annual tests at their expense - police officers require competence assessments and training.

If you don't want to be professional, then don't take up a profession.

All professions require training and monitoring - I agree - I used to be a Training Instructor at an engineering. company.

a mate of mine had to refresh his gas certs this week - I had to refresh mine the year before last.

All through my working life, I have always endeavoured to be the epitome of professionalism. This was the result of my late Father - who was a craftsman in the truest sense - drumming into me from an early age "If you're not prepared to do it properly, don't bother doing it at all".

The OP asked if the regulations etc. are necessary & I replied: "Speaking for myself NO!" and since I'm retired that - in my case - is perfectly true.

 

[linetech]

The recognition that our standards result in their use all around the world has to stand for something.

All professions require training and monitoring - a mate of mine had to refresh his gas certs this week - pilots require annual tests at their expense - police officers require competence assessments and training.

If you don't want to be professional, then don't take up a profession.

Thanks widdler

It’s great to hear you say that.. They have to stand for something..

I salute you!
I am a professional 25 years building 10 years of that electrical.. Training to assess competence is a significant statement.. I take it you agree that to be qualified and understand the regulations is just as important as being pro-efficient with your hands?

Great reply thanks

 

[linetech]

I'd rephrase the question to "do we really need any more electricians coming out from all the colleges and training centers" (the word training used lightly)
I think in Australia new electricians (maybe only foreigners) have to pay an existing qualified electrician $30 000 to work with him/her for a year and gain experience, before being let loose and allowed to work alone...wow sounds wonderfully brilliant, clever, and I like it, so will never happen here.

Guess I wont be moving to Australia anytime soon then..

Thanks jonny66 for the info

 

[Adam W]

I agree with Widdler (although he makes a living out of training electricians); if we didn't have 'continuous improvement' as some companies call it, we'd all still be installing 3036 fuses with no rcd protection, so I think this continuous training improves standards across the board, and therefore safety. Not many companies will take on an electrician who isn't qualified to the latest edition.
OK the likes of wood butchers only have to learn how to butcher wood once and that's it for life and I think we should get paid more for our 'continuous improvement', but that's a different matter.

 

[linetech]

All professions require training and monitoring - I agree - I used to be a Training Instructor at an engineering. company.

a mate of mine had to refresh his gas certs this week - I had to refresh mine the year before last.

All through my working life, I have always endeavoured to be the epitome of professionalism. This was the result of my late Father - who was a craftsman in the truest sense - drumming into me from an early age "If you're not prepared to do it properly, don't bother doing it at all".

The OP asked if the regulations etc. are necessary & I replied: "Speaking for myself NO!" and since I'm retired that - in my case - is perfectly true.

Never a truer word spoken.. Well said by anyones standard - "If you`re not prepared to do it properly, dont bother doing it at all"

 

[Jonny66]

Dont get me wrong, I've got nothing against continuous training and learning and nothing against new Regulations when they're needed or thought to be needed. I think the problem lies in new qualifications with the same content as the last but with a new title, or courses such as the C&G 2382 at £400 to pass a test that requires someone to be able to read. I nearly fell for that one, but took the chance and paid for a test (£70), took the book in and do you know what, to my surprise I could read.

 

[Adam W]

Dont get me wrong, I've got nothing against continuous training and learning and nothing against new Regulations when they're needed or thought to be needed. I think the problem lies in new qualifications with the same content as the last but with a new title, or courses such as the C&G 2382 at £400 to pass a test that requires someone to be able to read. I nearly fell for that one, but took the chance and paid for a test (£70), took the book in and do you know what, to my surprise I could read.

You may have thought of it as ticking a box to get your ticket, but I expect you learned something from reading up on what you needed to know for the test, even during the test.
It may not be much but it's something.

You probably would have learned even more if you hadn't tried to circumvent the system, and spent a day or so listening to a qualified lecturer teaching you about what's new and discussing it.
Bear in mind the regs exam is the only one that needs refreshing - it's not like every electrician has to redo their apprenticeship every so often.