Do we really need all these Regulations & Qualifications?

[thekingiam]

The orange shed is not licenced otherwise a black market for CUs and mains tails would be up and running in no time.

i would say that would be a good thing, at the moment no consumer would know what part p is if items wheretaken off the shelves and they had to go to dodgy suppliers they might start wondering why.
at the least big retailers advetising do it yourself should have big notices in there electrical isles stating requirements under part p what is notifyable and what is not.

 

[thekingiam]

no mention of part p, only don't overload circuit.
would the average diyer know how to check if overloaded have the knowledge and tools to safely isolate supply? the add another pendant info.

B&Q Online: From Kitchens & Bathrooms to Sheds & Paving; plus planning tools

 

[oldtimer]

no mention of part p, only don't overload circuit.
would the average diyer know how to check if overloaded have the knowledge and tools to safely isolate supply? the add another pendant info.

B&Q Online: From Kitchens & Bathrooms to Sheds & Paving; plus planning tools

So whats the point of saying you need to be registered when B&Q are handing out advice to Joe Public in other words electricity is a scoosh and here is some coloured diagrams on how to do it

 

[thekingiam]

they obviously don't want to make a big thing about part p as there sales might go down.

 

[thekingiam]

i wonder if the diy er would have to issue himself with a minnor works certificate, or am i going to far now?

 

[oldtimer]

they obviously don't want to make a big thing about part p as there sales might go down.

So what you are saying is big business is call the shots or in other words confirms that we and our trade just dont count plus I dont see the Schemies going to No10 saying look we need to raise standards and safety cos that just wont happen yet are saying to us pay your subs because if you dont you are a cowboy

 

[stef]

Well, walking through B n Q electrical section, it leaves the impression that the DIYer can do the job and then just ring up LAB ( or not). As mentioned by another forum member, the public doesn't know much about part Pee, B n Q certainly nothing at all. You get stopped if you look under 18 ( loke me) if you want to buy a can of aerosol or white spirit but nobody cares if you buy a set of mains tails.

 

[oldtimer]

Stef dont you think a company the size of BnQ have already flew this past their lawyers who have told them yep go ahead sell what you want although I am a bit confused with the giving out information on how to do it ie removing a loop in loop out ceiling rose to fit one of their lights. So in turn does this not undermine the notification system ie you are trying to do it by the book and Joe Public is buying CUs at BnQ and then telling you that you are a robbing barsteward

 

[Geordie Spark]

So what you are saying is big business is call the shots or in other words confirms that we and our trade just dont count plus I dont see the Schemies going to No10 saying look we need to raise standards and safety cos that just wont happen yet are saying to us pay your subs because if you dont you are a cowboy

Some years back the then CORGI (now replaced by Gas Safe) were speaking to the Government about trying to ban the sheds from selling gas fitting stuff. i.e. those nice chrome plated tubes to connect your gas fire up with & flexi-hoses & bayonet fitting for gas cookers etc.

The Government bod apparently approached the sheds & was told words to the effect: "Do you realise how much tax we are paying you?" and that - as they say - was the end of that !!!

 

[stef]

Lets face it, no matter how many regulations are in place, there is always a fair amount of home owners or DIYers who give a damn. It can't be neither monitored nor controlled. The LAB police hasn't got the man power and even if they did catch someone, what would the penalty be? No detertion.:49:

 

[hermetic]

We need regulations, and we need qualifications, But the regulations should be written in plain English, and easily understood by all. They should be issued by the IEE, and should be available for a nominal charge and available to anyone. they should also be published online. All skilled tradesmen should serve a five year apprenticeship with a fully trained tradesman, and should attend a minimum of three years at a college ending in a national exam. Constant retraining is a completely unnecessary scam thought up by a collusion between government job creators and the "training industry". I did my college work on the 14th edition metric reprint IEE regs (1970) it is interesting to note that some of the tables and sections of the BRB (haven't got the BGB yet, don't know if I'll bother either) have been lifted verbatim from my 14th edition. there is a lot in the BRB that is new, but there is very little that is relevant to most domestic installation that is new. An RCD is just the latest form of trip, and not a particularly reliable one. I have replaced some that have lasted less than 5 years. installing one, and indeed the wiring or rewiring a house is not rocket science, it is in fact, the very bottom of the electrical ladder. I always said you could teach a monkey to wire houses in six months, and today they can do it in 5 weeks! As I have said before, part P has nothing whatever to do with safety, according to RoSPa and the now defunct DTI, electrical accidents in the home began falling in 1962, and have fallen steadily ever since. Far from improve safety, in the long run, part P will have the opposite effect as we have a situation today where people with paper qualifications and zero experience are legally allowed to wire houses, whilst those with many years experience, and relevant qualifications are not, unless of course, they pay large amounts of cash to the scams, add to that the use of crimp connections, and spring clip junctions (you know the brands) and we have a fire hazard that will surface in about ten to twenty years time. I have just turned 60, and I am glad to be out of it! I have my tin hat on and my CoSHH fireproof fiberglass safety underwear pulled up to my ears.
Phil

 

[stef]

Well, hardly anybody wants to do an electrical or engineering apprenticeship nowadays. What will happen when our generation dies out? No skills left.
I live in a ex navy property, 1950s, with 16mm steel conduit, where would you find this in todays standards of quality? It is all about time and money, mainly money.

 

[cogsey133]

Well, hardly anybody wants to do an electrical or engineering apprenticeship nowadays. What will happen when our generation dies out? No skills left.
I live in a ex navy property, 1950s, with 16mm steel conduit, where would you find this in todays standards of quality? It is all about time and money, mainly money.

Sorry to say but there is very little skills left anyway! Recently when working on a site i was joking with a third year apprentice about my file he was using and he was unaware of the kind of file it was. He in fact googled it on his phone to see if i was sending him up when i told him what type it was as a file was just a file to him. Now this sums up all that is wrong with this trade at the moment in a rush to spew out professional competent electrician even basic hand skills are diluted.

 

[stef]

That IS bad !!!

 

[cogsey133]

That IS bad !!!

Bad but unfortunately true!