domestic works, to P on not to P

[john.irvine]

i would suggest you have a chat with your local council
it doesnt matter how qualified you are notifiable work is notifiable work whoever does it.
i too am fully qualified 2391, 17th blah blah but still have to pay the £425 each year to niceic to operate within the law

The last time I did domestic work was last year, so I did contact my buildings dept and asked, besides a copy of my qualifications and my inspection and rest results of the work carried out is there any thing else you need such a payment.

The answer was NO, there’s is no payment required, as we do not need to check anything, your qualifications are enough to show you are a competent person to carry out the work, your information goes on file and held here at the Building Dept.

I found out about this from the tutor on the 17th edition course.
He ran a business, which included domestic work and he did not have part P.
He said just get to know some one at your buildings dept, let them know of the work your doing then send them your inspection and test results, if your qualified you don’t realy need Part P.
And he was right.

 

[Spudnik]

Another thing to also consider, is that if building control allow you to 'go direct' to them, if there are any problems in the future, you wont have any scheme provider to back you up.

Not something i would comfortable with.

 

[Mac]

Another thing to also consider, is that if building control allow you to 'go direct' to them, if there are any problems in the future, you wont have any scheme provider to back you up.

Not something i would comfortable with.

Sorry mate,why would you need a scheme provider to cover your back.If you're a qualified electrician wherever you work be it domestic or commercial,you should always do a professional job.Regardless.It was introduced by the Govt as another money earner.
PARTP.CO.UK - What is Part P

 

[Spudnik]

Sorry mate,why would you need a scheme provider to cover your back.If you're a qualified electrician wherever you work be it domestic or commercial,you should always do a professional job.Regardless.It was introduced by the Govt as another money earner.
PARTP.CO.UK - What is Part P

I knew i shouldnt have posted

Now this isnt a cop out but, to be honest, i have done this subject to death in the past, hence the reason i am kinda sitting this one out.

 

[sparks1234]

What i'm saying is that if you worked all your life doing commercial and industrial and you had every qualification going,why can't you wire up a house.It is all to do with the Govt and another way to make money from someone who has the potential to earn a good living.And you wonder why people go abroad to work and there is such a shortfall in sparks in this country.

Nobody disagrees with that, the argument was that you are required to have this by law, I have been an electrician since 1978 and we never had this until a few years ago, but the fact is it is required by law, nobody is questioning anybodies ability.

Jason....chicken LOL

 

[Mac]

Nobody disagrees with that, the argument was that you are required to have this by law, I have been an electrician since 1978 and we never had this until a few years ago, but the fact is it is required by law, nobody is questioning anybodies ability.

Jason....chicken LOL

I didn't say that.The Part P was introduced by the Govt in 2005,just another moneyspinner and another stealth tax to tax us all again

 

[Spudnik]

Jason....chicken LOL

Dont make me reach for the ban button....

 

[sparks1234]

I didn't say that.The Part P was introduced by the Govt in 2005,just another moneyspinner and another stealth tax to tax us all again

Not you Mac, it was said earlier today by John Irvine I think his name was

 

[Mac]

Not you Mac, it was said earlier today by John Irvine I think his name was

Sorry mate

 

[Spudnik]

Oh i cant resist.

Part P had been in the pipeline a long time before it was introduced.

It was the MP's daughters death that pushed it through without much thought, hence the state its in.


Now thats my input on the subject and im saying no more.

Now leave me alone.

 

[sparks1234]

Oh i cant resist.

Part P had been in the pipeline a long time before it was introduced.

It was the MP's daughters death that pushed it through without much thought, hence the state its in.


Now thats my input on the subject and im saying no more.

Now leave me alone.

Bet you can't resist another comment a bit later Jason

I'm off to the off electrics forum. enough electrical arguments for today

 

[Jono Pashley]

At the end of the day Building Controls word is final. So if they say its alright and you can get that in writing the scams can goto hell. Scams back you up? yea right. If your doing the job right and to standards, your PI and PLI are going to cover you.

 

[sparks1234]

At the end of the day Building Controls word is final. So if they say its alright and you can get that in writing the scams can goto hell. Scams back you up? yea right. If your doing the job right and to standards, your PI and PLI are going to cover you.

can you get it in writing?

 

[Had8Lives]

If local building control will accept copies of quals and test sheets as compliance with Part P then it will come back and bite them on the ar*e, as it's no different to a cowboy copying someones quals and test sheets. I appreciate there are no cowboys here.

 

[Jono Pashley]

If local building control will accept copies of quals and test sheets as compliance with Part P then it will come back and bite them on the ar*e, as it's no different to a cowboy copying someones quals and test sheets. I appreciate there are no cowboys here.

No you would have to show them the actual certificates. So its quite a world away from someone stealing your credentials, Most LABC seem quite happy to accept your test results if your sufficiently qualified, Im sure if requested written proof could be obtained. Whether you like it or not, If that LABC accepts it there very few people who can say otherwise.

 

[Spudnik]

Will they issue you with a letter stating that they accept just qualifications (if sufficient) and allow you to notify direct?

 

[acat]

Indeed if thats what they say but like we have all said are they willing to confirm that in writing so you have proof. If you are unfortunate enough for any reason to be prosecuted that letter could be a get out of jail free card.




Chris

 

[Spudnik]

Indeed.

There have been a few successful cases of 'failure to notify' prosecutions, and im not sure "they said it was alright" would help much.

 

[chrissyh]

Indeed.

There have been a few successful cases of 'failure to notify' prosecutions, and im not sure "they said it was alright" would help much.

But i read it as he does notify and they are comfortable with his ability/qualifications to carry out the said works in a competent manner without the need for 3rd party inspection. So your analogy is irrellevant.
If my interpretation is correct, I would of thought it was an unusal and refreshing case of common sense breaking out in a local council!

 

[acat]

The requirement is until you belong to a body you must inform the LABC. If you dont and as Jason said you get prosecuted for failing to notify do you really expect the person who told you your qualifications are enough to stand up in court and say its my fault Im the plonker who told him or do you think he will deny all knowledge and let you carry the can.

A phone call can be denied letter headed paper cannot and as they are the legal body that would prosecute a letter would stop any prosecution dead in its tracks.

I know which one I would prefer.



Chris

 

[Mac]

Or they're too bloody lazy to come out and check the job.Sounds like all council workers

 

[chrissyh]

The requirement is until you belong to a body you must inform the LABC. If you dont and as Jason said you get prosecuted for failing to notify do you really expect the person who told you your qualifications are enough to stand up in court and say its my fault Im the plonker who told him or do you think he will deny all knowledge and let you carry the can.

A phone call can be denied letter headed paper cannot and as they are the legal body that would prosecute a letter would stop any prosecution dead in its tracks.

I know which one I would prefer.



Chris

I understand that chris but you miss my point. I am assuming he DOES notify the LABC.

 

[andyb]

The way read it is that work that comes under part p of the buildings regs must be notified to the local building control department.

This is not necessary if you are registered with an electrical self-certification scheme.

So, as long as you notify local building control before you start, undertake the work to bs7671 an send the lbc your eic you are covered.

After that it's up to your lbc, most will want to test your installation and charge for this. Others it seems just want to see your qualifactions.

Personally, I would make sure all my notifactions were in writing.

Or mabey just join a scheme.

 

[GT1]

As it happens I have spoken to a local labc today reference some notifiable work im quoting for.

Not being being a member of one of the schemes at the moment I rang to find out their protocols for notifying the work and the costs involved.

They told me that they indeed run their own self certification scheme. They will require me to attend their offices with originals of the qualifications I hold
From then I can certify my own work, provide them with test results and certs and jobs done, for a fee of 30 pounds per job.

I was told that my all work would be subject to "dip sampling" by their people, however if I prove I am competent / qualified, then their scheme will satisfy all notifiable part P work in their local authority area.

Personally, I think it a very good alternative to the other (very expensive) scheme providers.

 

[Mac]

As it happens I have spoken to a local labc today reference some notifiable work im quoting for.

Not being being a member of one of the schemes at the moment I rang to find out their protocols for notifying the work and the costs involved.

They told me that they indeed run their own self certification scheme. They will require me to attend their offices with originals of the qualifications I hold
From then I can certify my own work, provide them with test results and certs and jobs done, for a fee of 30 pounds per job.

I was told that my all work would be subject to "dip sampling" by their people, however if I prove I am competent / qualified, then their scheme will satisfy all notifiable part P work in their local authority area.

Personally, I think it a very good alternative to the other (very expensive) scheme providers.

It sounds like a great idea.Do you have to do this for every job(take your certs in)or just the once.Will you have to take photo ID to prove who you are and will they issue you with sort of relevant paper to say that you are allowed to self cert

 

[andyb]

Personally, I think it a very good alternative to the other (very expensive) scheme providers.

It depends on how many notifiable jobs you are doing and how many local authority building controls involved.

My work takes me into 4 or 5 different authority areas so I would have to be sure of all their different policies.

Also, at £30.00 a job, if you did more than 15 jobs a year it gets quite expensive. Plus there is no on line notification or warenty.