Don't you just love the SNP......

[Octopus]

Wrong, she's stated that ALL Nations have to vote to leave, meaning we can't be dragged out .....

Scots want to stay in EU, as the rest of Britain wants to say goodbye, says new poll (From Herald Scotland)

Wrong AGAIN!

Best you watch this:

Nicola Sturgeon warns of EU exit 'backlash' - BBC News

 

[janner43]

As an aside love your username Janner lol....hope your not related to the late lord ffs.

Like a cockney is from London or a Geordie from Newcastle... a "Janner" is someone from Plymouth or sometimes thought of as from Devon. It originates (as far as I know) from the common male name of John sounding like Jan when spoke with a broad Devonian accent.

Remember "Jan Stewart, Jan Stewart lend me your grey mare" (Widdicombe Fair)?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janner

 

[sean_ork]

Wrong AGAIN!

Best you watch this:

Nicola Sturgeon warns of EU exit 'backlash' - BBC News

Did you post the wrong link ?

That just simply confirms exactly what I posted - there's no mention of a veto, she even uses the same words as I did - essentially support for coming out needs to be across the Country - no one element will be dragged out against their will.

 

[Octopus]

Did you post the wrong link ?

That just simply confirms exactly what I posted - there's no mention of a veto, she even uses the same words as I did - essentially support for coming out needs to be across the Country - no one element will be dragged out against their will.

Democracy mate - if over 50% of the UK nationals vote out then thats the will of the people.

I know you Scots aren't good at maths as you believe that a 55% to 45% was a narrow victory for the "stay" campaign.

And for the record I have a large amount of Scottish blood in me!

 

[sean_ork]

Petty digs are rather pointless - but I don't disagree with your democracy comment - if there was a UK wide out majority, which could potentially lead to sections being dragged out despite their majority vote to stay in - that's certainly more than enough of a reason to revisit the Independence question.

But, there has never been any suggestion of anyone having a veto.

 

[Octopus]

Petty digs are rather pointless - but I don't disagree with your democracy comment - if there was a UK wide out majority, which could potentially lead to sections being dragged out despite their majority vote to stay in - that's certainly more than enough of a reason to revisit the Independence question.

But, there has never been any suggestion of anyone having a veto.

What I do find really amusing about the SNP, is that pre 2015 they carried on, and on, and on about PR - yet now they go VERY silent on the matter.

 

[sean_ork]

She has said that SHE wants the ability to block the UK exit if the Scots vote to stay in the EU

Just for the record, for those daft enought to beleive such one liners - she said no such thing.

Mr Murdoch was also kind enough to post a video link, so if you'd like to see what she actually said - watch it.

 

[Midwest]

In just a few sentences you've explained and illustrated why there are so many folks with such misguided views, on not just this subject - but its nothing new, the media have been helping whoever they want to win elections for a decades.

Sadly, there's far to many that use headlines and media articles to form their opinions, sheeplike.

You're missing my point I'm afraid. I understand you are responding to many other posts, but you should considering what's being said. Mainstream parties and media are populated by people. People have opinions, they might be biased one way or not, but never the less they are opinions. And it seems their opinions were based on keeping a United Kingdom. The SNP opinion is for Scottish independence, should we ignore their opinion?

 

[sean_ork]

You're missing my point I'm afraid. I understand you are responding to many other posts, but you should considering what's being said. Mainstream parties and media are populated by people. People have opinions, they might be biased one way or not, but never the less they are opinions. And it seems their opinions were based on keeping a United Kingdom. The SNP opinion is for Scottish independence, should we ignore their opinion?

I'm not missing the point, you've made the mistake of assuming that people with the power to dictate media output and the general public people are equals.

The often en mass, one sided, highly biased, and very lopedsided "opinions" broadcast by the media are fortunately a long long way removed from a mass of folks capable of independent thought - yes there are people in the media, but that point would only be valid if all "people" had the opportunity to broadcast their views so publicly and consistently.

 

[Midwest]

I'm not missing the point, you've made the mistake of assuming that people with the power to dictate media output and the general public people are equals.

The often en mass, one sided, highly biased, and very lopedsided "opinions" broadcast by the media are fortunately a long long way removed from a mass of folks capable of independent thought - yes there are people in the media, but that point would only be valid if all "people" had the opportunity to broadcast their views so publicly and consistently.

So we can ignore the viewpoint of the SNP?

 

[YoungScud]

So we can ignore the viewpoint of the SNP?

Clearly you're always free to do that, but I don't think anyone's suggested otherwise.

 

[Midwest]

Clearly you're always free to do that, but I don't think anyone's suggested otherwise.

Do not understand your reply?

 

[sean_ork]

So we can ignore the viewpoint of the SNP?

We can all ignore whoever we want - my point is that the media is to powerful in that it has the ability to alter public opinions, very often by the use of biased reporting, selective editing, and unbalanced focus.

Youve suggested that the media is just a reflection of public opinion.

But it would have been interesting to know what the peoples of those countries thought, as Scotland leaving the UK, would have an impact on them. Perhaps the 'mainstream parties & media en masse supporting the No campaign', was some sort of guage of that? Would that be financial or selfish reason for that, or is it purely they do not want the UK to divide?.

The only opinion that is accurately guaged in most of our media is that of its owners and their paid complient underlings.

 

[YoungScud]

What I do find really amusing about the SNP, is that pre 2015 they carried on, and on, and on about PR - yet now they go VERY silent on the matter.

It's hard to fathom what you're claiming here. Comparing referenda and PR is like comparing applesd and oranges, or Ian Duncan Smith and human beings. PR is proportional representation, operating quite well in Scotland. Referenda don't produce representatives, so what's your point?

Murdoch, you're reading something into Nicola Sturgeon's statements that she isn't even trying to imply. There is no implication, there is only fact. Scotland, as has been conceded by others here, is a sovereign nation and, as such, has the indisputable right to self determination. That doesn't mean every now and then, that means as and when its people choose. Scotland isn't a subsidiary of UK Plc, it's a partner in the UK. Partnerships dissolve all the time, sometimes acrimoniously, sometimes amicably. If and when Scotland exercises that will to leave, then it can and will leave. How the partnership dissolves depends on how the various parties act, but throwing the toys out of the pram won't have any effect on the end result. Now, one thing could change that; England, as another sovereign partner, could decide to dissolve that partnership, but that seems unlikely. In fact, it seems pretty unlikely that Scotland will choose to leave any time soon, but that'll be up to us. It's almost exactly the same kind of right which the UK will exercise one way or the other over Europe.

 

[YoungScud]

We can all ignore whoever we want - my point is that the media is to powerful in that it has the ability to alter public opinions, very often by the use of biased reporting, selective editing, and unbalanced focus.

Youve suggested that the media is just a reflection of public opinion.



The only opinion that is accurately guaged in most of our media is that of its owners and their paid complient underlings.

If you don't believe that, take a gander at Murdoch's posts.