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dingledong
Should we ban people from infected countries even entering the country ? You could come here and have no ill effects for a week before you start showing symptoms so why are we checking people when they come here
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tazz
Dingle...can I ask why you put yourself in the firing line again.
These issues, are very vague at this moment in time, and you come across like a local tabloid reporter scare mongering. You again leave yourself open for abuse, and yet another row....please why do you follow this path...????
These issues, are very vague at this moment in time, and you come across like a local tabloid reporter scare mongering. You again leave yourself open for abuse, and yet another row....please why do you follow this path...????
Ebola? What ebola?
Ebola has killed for centuries and will continue to do so, as has malaria, flu, dysentery, polio, measles, pox etc...
We are at as much risk from a widespread ebola outbreak in the UK as we were when swine flu and bird flu were the topic of the week on the six o'clock fear outlets. Ebola is managed and screening is taking place when people are arriving from affected areas. There's nothing more to be said on the matter.
Next...
Ebola has killed for centuries and will continue to do so, as has malaria, flu, dysentery, polio, measles, pox etc...
We are at as much risk from a widespread ebola outbreak in the UK as we were when swine flu and bird flu were the topic of the week on the six o'clock fear outlets. Ebola is managed and screening is taking place when people are arriving from affected areas. There's nothing more to be said on the matter.
Next...
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dingledong
But only one airport is screened and it seems they just ask you a couple of questions at the screening and that's it
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Badged01
What more could be needed? Who's going to lie about being asked some simple questions ......
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Engineer54
Eh, anyone that doesn't want to be delayed at the airport arrivals for hours on end maybe??
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Besoeker
No, not centuries. It first emerged in The Sudan in 1976.
The issue isn't the number of deaths in absolute terms. In the context of the population of West Africa, it's tiny. So far.
It's the rate of increase that is of concern in the current outbreak. It has gone from several tens to several thousand in a few months at at an increasing rate.
Fair enough, maybe not centuries, but long enough.
So it's spread faster than normal, I still get annoyed at the mass hysteria the media like to evoke!
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trev
According to the last publicised figures there have been aproximately 4000 deaths since the current outbreak emerged. In the same period 30000 people have died from malaria and over 300,000 children have died from easily preventable diseases.
Remember Sars? That was going to decimate the global population and what happened? Well, not a great deal.
Remember H1N1 bird flu? Once again globally it was going to be a massive problem. What happened? Well, pretty much the same as Sars.
Remember Sars? That was going to decimate the global population and what happened? Well, not a great deal.
Remember H1N1 bird flu? Once again globally it was going to be a massive problem. What happened? Well, pretty much the same as Sars.
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trev
Either nature will provide the reset button, perhaps ebola is it, or politicians will by giving us a good old fashioned war. Either way the herd will be culled sooner or later and there's not a great deal we can do about it.
Until then I'll just get on with things as quietly and efficiently as I can
Until then I'll just get on with things as quietly and efficiently as I can
Efficiently I can do mate.... Quiet I can't. I'm a noisy bugger and there are too many idiots that ask me questions then don't like it when I reply with the truth...
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Engineer54
We are in the situation we now find our self in, because of the failure of the WHO and other responsible organisations to act on the information that was being urgently transmitted to them by those in the know on the ground. God help us all, when something really does threaten the worlds health. These ----ers will still be passing bits of paper around asking for more information from all the wrong people....
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Marvo
Not a very well considered question, many of the people entering the UK from Ebola areas are UK citizens going back home. How are you going to stop them reentering the UK?
Actually, if the situation gets bad enough, yes - but perhaps not so much as a ban, rather that there will be no flights to/from the affected countries and the land borders will be closed.
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Badged01
We can but herd them into a holding centre til they are clear!! Some nice unused RAF bases in Scotland would do fine, and should there be an outbreak to the local poplace then the collateral damage up there would be acceptable ..... :angel_smile:
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Marvo
Better start building refugee camps on one of the Channel Islands then.
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Badged01
Gosh no-way, they are nice holiday destinations and places to visit ..... dont want them getting infected and closed down!!
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Guest111
The incubation period is far too long for any testing at the airports to be of any use,plus due to the method of transmission then if one person on a plane was found to be potentially infected then that would mean everyone on board the plane would need to be quaranteened.There is really no way to prevent the spread of this disease without some form of mass vaccination programme,lets be honest if we prevented anyone entering our borders from one of the african countries,what prevents a potentially infected person coming here via another country,or someone from the sudan entering say france or germany,infecting someone there and then them entering the uk?The whole dynamic of this sitation is massive and the least helpful thing to do is panic,we've seen the same thing with sars,legionaires and some other nasty things in the past.
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Badged01
I remember catching some of those 'nasty' diseases when I was working in the far east but the doctor always gave me penicillin and that cured it.
Perhaps its just a programme of penicillin immunisation that we need .......
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Besoeker
Heart disease and strokes between them result is about 14,000,000 deaths a year.
By way of contrast, Ebola a mere 4,000. In six months.
A trivial, almost insignificant, number by comparison it would appear.
But that's not really the whole story. As I posted earlier, it isn't just about absolute numbers. It's the rate of increase that is of concern.
In 12 years, world heart disease and stroke fatalities have risen by about 17%, roughly mirroring the population growth over that period.
By way of contrast, Ebola fatalities have risen by about 8,000% in around six months.
Some more numbers.
In six months Ebola has killed ten times as many people as bird flu did in ten years.
There is no comparison.
For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not scaremongering. Just trying to give some context.
It may well be that the current outbreak gets contained regionally but it just might not be as trivial as some here seem to be suggesting.
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Badged01
I always find it helps if you only believe half of what you see and nothing of what you hear ......
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trev
Tell you what I can't believe. The suggestions that our borders should be shut thus closing down access to this country from others. Suppose one of your children was displaying symptoms after being away on holiday, I bet you wouldn't be bloody bleating on about closing borders then. Idiots.
Yeah, let's all panic and run round like headless chickens, let's paralyse international trade because some of those bugs might be transmissible on produce that we buy from these countries. Let's shut down all international transport because you never know who some of those nasty. dirty foreigners might have been rubbing up against.
The same hysteria was put about by the media previously and they were left with egg on their faces when it turned to naught. The fact of the matter is that if it comes here it comes here and there's sweet bugger all anyone can do about it because unless we behave like the village of Ely during the great plague we have no means of dealing with it effectively.
Now can we please stop panicking and get on with things.
Yeah, let's all panic and run round like headless chickens, let's paralyse international trade because some of those bugs might be transmissible on produce that we buy from these countries. Let's shut down all international transport because you never know who some of those nasty. dirty foreigners might have been rubbing up against.
The same hysteria was put about by the media previously and they were left with egg on their faces when it turned to naught. The fact of the matter is that if it comes here it comes here and there's sweet bugger all anyone can do about it because unless we behave like the village of Ely during the great plague we have no means of dealing with it effectively.
Now can we please stop panicking and get on with things.
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trev
In six months time the outbreak will have subsided, there'll be a decrease of a similar magnitude. It's what usually happens with ebola, when my brother worked in Gabon about 7 years ago there was an outbreak there. It arose out of nowhere, killed a few hundred people in a relatively small area then disappeared again. It wasn't reported anywhere in the western media.
It will disappear again, the world will return to a state of complacency and a force fed diet of celebrity gossip but we'll still have the other problems you mentioned mate.
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trev
Tel it's just that ridiculous panicking really bloody annoys me
"ahh someone might bring a disease let's close everything down so we can panic properly"
It's the kind of nonsense I'd expect from a 3 year old, we have more chance of stepping outside our own front doors and being hit by a bus than we do of any of the things which are being scaremongered about happening to us so why worry? Life's too bloody short and worrying never changed anything
"ahh someone might bring a disease let's close everything down so we can panic properly"
It's the kind of nonsense I'd expect from a 3 year old, we have more chance of stepping outside our own front doors and being hit by a bus than we do of any of the things which are being scaremongered about happening to us so why worry? Life's too bloody short and worrying never changed anything
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Besoeker
Had a very similar discussion just a moment ago with my wife.
We have kit out West Africa due to be commissioned. As it happens, we have no guys there at the moment.
Supposing there had been, would we have left them there? Unable to return home? Potentially exposed to the virus. Not a cat in hell's chance.
Excellent post.
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Besoeker
I hope you're right.
The rate at which outbreak has escalated and numbers of fatalities seems to have been significantly worse than any previously.
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Guest77
All this ebola talk, IMO the OP has mad cow disease.
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Plonker 3
When I first of Ebola I though it was Manchester Citys latest signing.
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dazza1981
eh ???
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