EICR and RCD's. Is it a C2 or C3?

[Victor Poon]

Hi,

My EICR is a C2 because the consumer unit does NOT have RCD's.
Is it correct?
My last EICR five years ago stated RCD as recommended.
What's changed?
The flat is on the 2nd floor built in 1997!
The electrician has quoted for a NEW Consumer Unit.

Thanks

Victor

 

[Victor Poon]

Thank you all and everyone for their comments.
I won't comment whether I am a 'greedy landlord', I certainly
don't wish to be taken advantage off. Equally I don't think I take advantage of others.
Re-capping:-
1) 2nd Floor flat in a block built NEW in 1997.
2) Five years ago I have a satisfactory EICR.
3) Now I have a C2 (Potentially Dangerous). This rating can be changed as I have a quotation to "fit a new fuseboard to meet current regulation" - as written by the electrician. A new fuseboard solves my problem?

Logic question - Why is it a C2 if RCD's are NOT mandatory given it was satisfactory five years ago? Why wasn't it a C2 five years ago?

Thanks everyone again.

 

[Andy78]

Thank you all and everyone for their comments.
I won't comment whether I am a 'greedy landlord', I certainly
don't wish to be taken advantage off. Equally I don't think I take advantage of others.
Re-capping:-
1) 2nd Floor flat in a block built NEW in 1997.
2) Five years ago I have a satisfactory EICR.
3) Now I have a C2 (Potentially Dangerous). This rating can be changed as I have a quotation to "fit a new fuseboard to meet current regulation" - as written by the electrician. A new fuseboard solves my problem?

Logic question - Why is it a C2 if RCD's are NOT mandatory given it was satisfactory five years ago? Why wasn't it a C2 five years ago?

Thanks everyone again.

Again, you need to clarify with the issuer of the report which specific issues the codes have been given for as a starting point.

 

[magnoliafan89]

I think you will find that is not limited to just sockets.

I know just an example

 

[Cid]

What is the point of

Thank you all and everyone for their comments.
I won't comment whether I am a 'greedy landlord', I certainly
don't wish to be taken advantage off. Equally I don't think I take advantage of others.
Re-capping:-
1) 2nd Floor flat in a block built NEW in 1997.
2) Five years ago I have a satisfactory EICR.
3) Now I have a C2 (Potentially Dangerous). This rating can be changed as I have a quotation to "fit a new fuseboard to meet current regulation" - as written by the electrician. A new fuseboard solves my problem?

Logic question - Why is it a C2 if RCD's are NOT mandatory given it was satisfactory five years ago? Why wasn't it a C2 five years ago?

Thanks everyone again.

Because it is a matter of life and death. Some newer electricians won't take the chance. They tend to freak out when they see no RCD.

I suggest you be a good landlord and follow the recommendations on the EICR. It's there for a reason.

 

[Victor Poon]

I have no problems about fitting RCD or spending money.
Indeed plans are being made to fit RCD's.
I am asking for quotations now.

My question is one of logic. Why now it's a C2 now and NOT a C2 five years ago. Assuming nothing has changed. The flat was built 22 years ago.

 

[westward10]

Coding is generally a matter of personal opinion, there are no cast in stone rules. Experienced people are likely to Code 3 it provided the existing circuit protection provides adequate fault protection. The statement should be one of fact that circuits do not have additional rcd protection but this does not necessarily mean the installation is not safe for continued use. Nothing has particularly changed in the last five years to warrant a change of Code but as I say it is personal judgement and inexperienced people often jump on the Code 2 bandwagon.

 

[Nigel]

Thank you all and everyone for their comments.
I won't comment whether I am a 'greedy landlord', I certainly
don't wish to be taken advantage off. Equally I don't think I take advantage of others.
Re-capping:-
1) 2nd Floor flat in a block built NEW in 1997.
2) Five years ago I have a satisfactory EICR.
3) Now I have a C2 (Potentially Dangerous). This rating can be changed as I have a quotation to "fit a new fuseboard to meet current regulation" - as written by the electrician. A new fuseboard solves my problem?

Logic question - Why is it a C2 if RCD's are NOT mandatory given it was satisfactory five years ago? Why wasn't it a C2 five years ago?

Thanks everyone again.

The honest answer is we do not have enough info to make an informed response.

If you could scan and put the report on here it would help.

 

[Risteard]

I think you will find that is not limited to just sockets.

Indeed.

No fault protection is a very serious defect. Without a reliably low Zs then without RCDs ADS simply doesn't exist.

 

[Deleted account]

There is no requirement or change of regs that say an rcd should be installed in an existing installation if no additions or alterations have been or are being done.

However it may be nessissary if the nstalation has deteriorated and the fault currents have increased to an unacceptable level( unlikely), or the electrician has found something that the previous EICR inspector did not.
If it's the same inspector then I would be asking why they didn't find it last time.

That's the best answer I can give without more info.

The inspector needs to say specifically why it needs rcd protection.

 

[Victor Poon]

This is a redacted EICR. Uploaded as suggested.
Many thanks.

 

[Deleted account]

Based on that EICR. Coding should be C3 unless there is something not included on the EICR that should be.

 

[Andy78]

RCD protection for bathrooms and domestic lighting circuits ticked, but no RCDs on the test schedule ? But RCD testing and functional testing ticked ?

 

[Victor Poon]

That's all I have. Apart from a quotation to replace "fuseboard".
So do I spend many hundreds of pounds to replace the Consumer Unit?
Of course ideally ALL Consumer Units in every household should meet current regulations. This is not realistic. The bottom line is C2 (Potentially Dangerous) applicable given the data?

If a number of forum member have a c2 (potentially dangerous) opinion I will change the Consumer Unit.

Thanks for all your feedback....

 

[westward10]

Did the same person do both Reports?

 

[Victor Poon]

No. Couldn't find the guy before.