EICR rectifications completed by another electrician, what now?

[7029 dave]

^^^ I am looking at the pair of your comments. IMO my 2 pence worth if an EICR has been carried out, and lets say c1 for x c2 for y has been recorded, and remedial work has been carried out to correct the installation with paper work ie MWC, then in my mind that would go hand in hand with the previous EICR end off.

 

[FatAlan]

Would have thought that any remedial work carried out after an unsatisfactory EICR would be covered by either a MWC or EIC so job done?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Would have thought that any remedial work carried out after an unsatisfactory EICR would be covered by either a MWC or EIC so job done?

If covered by an EIC, the EIC will show the date of the next inspection.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

^^^ I am looking at the pair of your comments. IMO my 2 pence worth if an EICR has been carried out, and lets say c1 for x c2 for y has been recorded, and remedial work has been carried out to correct the installation with paper work ie MWC, then in my mind that would go hand in hand with the previous EICR end off.

Yes, that should by rights be the case.
But what if that work isn’t done for 6 years?

 

[7029 dave]

Yes, that should by rights be the case.
But what if that work isn’t done for 6 years?

If the work don't done then it is still unsatisfactory simple as that.

 

[Nigel]

Yes, that should by rights be the case.
But what if that work isn’t done for 6 years?

All remedial works are to be done as a matter of urgency. 6 years would not meet that criteria.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

All remedial works are to be done as a matter of urgency. 6 years would not meet that criteria.

Yeah, but the next inspection isn’t for 10 years, got loads of time.
Just as long as it’s done before the next inspection, it’ll be ok.

 

[Ian1981]

If an installation is deemed unsatisfactory then If you are recommending a next inspection date of say 5 years, it’s with the condition that any potential dangerous defects recorded on the eicr are rectified without delay

 

[Octopus]

what a farce ........... nobody can agree ............ but thing is for sure, and based on personal experience......... handing an unsatisfactory EICR and a couple of MWC's to a letting agent doesn't always guarantee they will "accept" that the installation is now "satisfactory"

 

[Nigel]

If covered by an EIC, the EIC will show the date of the next inspection.

Only for that item of work. Not the whole installation.

 

[Nigel]

what a farce ........... nobody can agree ............ but thing is for sure, and based on personal experience......... handing an unsatisfactory EICR and a couple of MWC's to a letting agent doesn't always guarantee they will "accept" that the installation is now "satisfactory"

To be fair it is only one member that seems to not understand how it should work.

 

[Octopus]

To be fair it is only one member that seems to not understand how it should work.

I’ve given you a disagree as I suspect a lot of sparks don’t know how it work ....

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Only for that item of work. Not the whole installation.

Judging from your comments regarding clients wanting a report to state ‘Satisfactory”, I can only assume you rarely conduct periodic Inspection and Testing.
In my experience which dates back to before the IEE/IET introduced the model forms, the majority of installations which require the client to obtain a report, would not willingly accept a report which states ‘Unsatisfactory’.

Personally, before completing and issuing a report, I will inform the client of the defects I have found, and offer to rectify those defects, in order to issue a ‘Satisfactory’ report.

Others will issue the report, offer to rectify the defects and also offer to issue another ‘Satisfactory’ report once the work is completed.

Others still will attend a property to Inspect, rectify any faults, not issue any certification for their work, make no notification and then issue a Visual.

 

[Nigel]

Judging from your comments regarding clients wanting a report to state ‘Satisfactory”, I can only assume you rarely conduct periodic Inspection and Testing.
In my experience which dates back to before the IEE/IET introduced the model forms, the majority of installations which require the client to obtain a report, would not willingly accept a report which states ‘Unsatisfactory’.

Personally, before completing and issuing a report, I will inform the client of the defects I have found, and offer to rectify those defects, in order to issue a ‘Satisfactory’ report.

Others will issue the report, offer to rectify the defects and also offer to issue another ‘Satisfactory’ report once the work is completed.

Others still will attend a property to Inspect, rectify any faults, not issue any certification for their work, make no notification and then issue a Visual.

We do more than enough. Regardless of how many we do my ability to understand and read basic guidance is not linked with how many I carry out.

Experience means nothing if during that time you were doing it incorrectly.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

If you do more than enough, how is it you are unaware of the widespread demand for ‘Satisfactory’ reports?
I’ve spoken to Insurance companies on a number of occasions regarding this issue, not always successfully.
Client has had an ‘Unsatisfactory’ report, had the work done to rectify the defects, the Insurance company wants a new ‘Satisfactory’ report.

 

[Nigel]

If you do more than enough, how is it you are unaware of the widespread demand for ‘Satisfactory’ reports?
I’ve spoken to Insurance companies on a number of occasions regarding this issue, not always successfully.
Client has had an ‘Unsatisfactory’ report, had the work done to rectify the defects, the Insurance company wants a new ‘Satisfactory’ report.

Maybe you do not educate your clients as well as I do. I do about £50k worth of EICRs a year and never have the issue you describe.

 

[telectrix]

New balls please.!.

 

[Pete999]

New balls please.!.

That's what Serena asked for, fat chance.

 

[telectrix]

might get some from SWD, now he's gender neutral. .

 

[Marcus Vaughan]

My head hurts.

 

[Marcus Vaughan]

The last EICR I did was an unsatisfactory based on inadequate sized main earth and Equipotential bonding. A simple fix as it was all in a cellar.

Problem is that the customer decided to DIY the upgrade himself - and I never went back. So he (maybe) has ‘satisfactory’ Installation but an unsatisfactory report. He was the land lord of this rented property as well - so I wonder how he would get on with the insurers?

It’s all a bit of a minefield?

 

[Nigel]

The last EICR I did was an unsatisfactory based on inadequate sized main earth and Equipotential bonding. A simple fix as it was all in a cellar.

Problem is that the customer decided to DIY the upgrade himself - and I never went back. So he (maybe) has ‘satisfactory’ Installation but an unsatisfactory report. He was the land lord of this rented property as well - so I wonder how he would get on with the insurers?

It’s all a bit of a minefield?

It is really not a minefield. It is very very simple.

The insurer would probably not accept anyone not a member of a scheme carrying out the works.

 

[Octopus]

The last EICR I did was an unsatisfactory based on inadequate sized main earth and Equipotential bonding. A simple fix as it was all in a cellar.

Problem is that the customer decided to DIY the upgrade himself - and I never went back. So he (maybe) has ‘satisfactory’ Installation but an unsatisfactory report. He was the land lord of this rented property as well - so I wonder how he would get on with the insurers?

It’s all a bit of a minefield?

Not your problem .............

 

[Flanders]

If a report is unsatisfactory there will be a list of observations , If those observations have been rectified there will be paper work to show that ,
We produce a spread sheet listing them so its easy to cross referance .we have done doing this for years and all our customers find it easy to understand for example
Item ................Observation .............. Action carried out ............Results
1 . Broken socket in reception ...........Replaced socket...........0.45

Just a ruff example we put all relevant test reading depending on what work carried out.

 

[FatAlan]

Only for that item of work. Not the whole installation.

How about doing the appropriate certificate for the remedial work plus an EICR with detailed limitations referenced to a copy of the unsatisfactory report?