EICR test failed due to no RCD on smoke detector, lighting, door bell, security alarm

[Resu]

That is an absolute shambles. For what it's worth I wouldn't say asking if the flat is likely to be rented out, etc is a totally irrelevant question. Agree with the others, based off the information we have - nothing more than a couple of C3s by the look if it.

Any chance you could upload the test results page, assuming there even is one?

 

[missp82]

That is an absolute shambles. For what it's worth I wouldn't say asking if the flat is likely to be rented out, etc is a totally irrelevant question. Agree with the others, based off the information we have - nothing more than a couple of C3s by the look if it.

Any chance you could upload the test results page, assuming there even is one?

He was asking me if the flat will be rented out because he liked it and wanted to rent it and wanted me to by-pass the agent and give it to him cheaper. However it was still too expensive for him. Do you think there was more to this question?
I am attaching the test results as well. I haven't been able to understand them

 

[Tom256]

Contact NAPIT and explain how long they took and send them a copy of the details as you have posted here.

I am not sure how the forum works for finding Electricians perhaps one of the senior members can explain (?)

To give you another simple example how the Regulations are not retrospective. Approx 19 years ago (during the reign of the 16th edition of the wiring regulations, hope I have that correct as memory is sh*te at night) the colours of the conductors within the cables changed. They went from Red and Black (in the 15th and first edition pre ammendment of 16th edition) to Brown and Blue.
As such there are untold numbers of Installations with the 'older' colours still to this day.
Some have a mix of Red & Black colours alonside Brown & Blue colours in the same installation - advice is add a sticker to let some folk know. Anyway all these installation - domestic, commercial, industrial - do not need to be rewired and are perfectly fine. No EICR's are picking such up as a C2.
They won't push on that one because, I guess, a bit more at stake with competent electrical duty holders in industrial sites. Easier risking the old "ooohhh that needs a metal consumer unit, can't have plastic. Look it says so here"

 

[Tom256]

He was asking me if the flat will be rented out because he liked it and wanted to rent it and wanted me to by-pass the agent and give it to him cheaper. However it was still too expensive for him. Do you think there was more to this question?
I am attaching the test results as well. I haven't been able to understand them

I will go through that later (stuff to do) as I am sure will other good folk on this site and make sense of it for you

 

[westward10]

All your protective devices are quoted as 61009 when they are 60898.
The cooker cable is quoted as 2.5mm² when it is probably 6.0mm².

 

[Resu]

He was asking me if the flat will be rented out because he liked it and wanted to rent it and wanted me to by-pass the agent and give it to him cheaper. However it was still too expensive for him. Do you think there was more to this question?
I am attaching the test results as well. I haven't been able to understand them

Oh no, that's totally unprofessional. It can be useful to know how the property is used/likely to be used when recommending improvements, etc.

So a few immediate issues:
Overcurrent protective devices are marked as 61009 when they should be 60898.
RCD marked down for circuits 1-4 which isn't the case - a point he's noted elsewhere!
No rating marked for RCD (80A)
r1, rn & r2 readings for a cooker circuit wouldn't usually be possible

I'm unsure how big the flat is but the cert would suggest there is only 4 lights and 6 sockets?

EDIT: just looked at the pic of inside the board again. Circuits 2 & 3 look like they're wired in 1.5 so those have been marked down wrong. Cooker is 6 or 10mm so defo marked wrong.

 

[missp82]

Oh no, that's totally unprofessional. It can be useful to know how the property is used/likely to be used when recommending improvements, etc.

So a few immediate issues:
Overcurrent protective devices are marked as 61009 when they should be 60898.
RCD marked down for circuits 1-4 which isn't the case - a point he's noted elsewhere!
No rating marked for RCD (80A)
r1, rn & r2 readings for a cooker circuit wouldn't usually be possible

I'm unsure how big the flat is but the cert would suggest there is only 4 lights and 6 sockets?

EDIT: just looked at the pic of inside the board again. Circuits 2 & 3 look like they're wired in 1.5 so those have been marked down wrong. Cooker is 6 or 10mm so defo marked wrong.

I know, totally unprofessional. Are the issues in relation to his report or do you think there are issues with my installation that he didn't pick up?

 

[missp82]

All your protective devices are quoted as 61009 when they are 60898.
The cooker cable is quoted as 2.5mm² when it is probably 6.0mm².

So the test results are also problematic?

 

[littlespark]

All your protective devices are quoted as 61009 when they are 60898.
The cooker cable is quoted as 2.5mm² when it is probably 6.0mm².

And circuits 1-4 are noted to be using the same

Not worth the paper its written on.

Keep it for evidence against them, but otherwise, bin it.


It also sounds like hes been trying to rent it for a reduced price.... ie "I'll fix it all myself if you let me live here"



It is such a minefield for customers when theres adverts telling you to use a "competant" electrician.... one who is a member of NIC, Napit, or whoever.... and still turn out to be charlatans....

Check a trade and other "approved traders" websites are no better.


Then there are honest tradesmen... who do everything right, to the letter..... but arent members of one of these schemes for whatever reason.... missing out on work because someone can undercut them and basically do a half assed job.

I know, totally unprofessional. Are the issues in relation to his report or do you think there are issues with my installation that he didn't pick up?

We cant tell if there are any issues with the installation at all. On the surface, everything looks ok, but a proper EICR would pick things up.
The schedule of results, that last page you posted, is total nonsense.

 

[missp82]

And circuits 1-4 are noted to be using the same

Not worth the paper its written on.

Keep it for evidence against them, but otherwise, bin it.


It also sounds like hes been trying to rent it for a reduced price.... ie "I'll fix it all myself if you let me live here"



It is such a minefield for customers when theres adverts telling you to use a "competant" electrician.... one who is a member of NIC, Napit, or whoever.... and still turn out to be charlatans....

Check a trade and other "approved traders" websites are no better.


Then there are honest tradesmen... who do everything right, to the letter..... but arent members of one of these schemes for whatever reason.... missing out on work because someone can undercut them and basically do a half assed job.




We cant tell if there are any issues with the installation at all. On the surface, everything looks ok, but a proper EICR would pick things up.
The schedule of results, that last page you posted, is total nonsense.

He didn't suggest to fix it because he said everything was ok. I am wondering why he wanted to live in a property where the installation was in "poor condition" and "unsatisfactory". I will raise a complaint about him / the company with his trade association, I don't want to let this go. I am keeping the report as evidence. Where can I find someone honest to do a proper EICR then?

 

[brianmoooore]

I'll say one thing for whoever did the EICR - He's a fast worker to get all those results on the sheet properly measured in ten minutes. It would take me most of that time to get the cover off of the CU and unpack my MFT.

 

[Resu]

I know, totally unprofessional. Are the issues in relation to his report or do you think there are issues with my installation that he didn't pick up?

The report is not worth the paper it's written on I'm afraid. It's unlikely that any tests were performed at all if they were in and out in 10 minutes, so fairly likely not one of those readings is correct. I think a lot of us here could put together a more believable certificate sitting in our own houses based on the picture of your consumer unit alone than what you've been given!

 

[littlespark]

Message #14 gave some suggestions about finding someone with relative knowledge..... ie, phone them up, ask them how long they think it would take to do an eicr.... other simple questions like "will it matter that its a plastic consumer unit" You know from whats been said on here what the correct answer should be...
If they say, "oh that would fail" then swerve them as well.

Is there any friends that have had electricians that could recommend someone?


The forum does have members all over the country, if not the world..... but not all of us have put our details up on the forum's listing page looking for jobs.

 

[missp82]

The report is not worth the paper it's written on I'm afraid. It's unlikely that any tests were performed at all if they were in and out in 10 minutes, so fairly likely not one of those readings is correct. I think a lot of us here could put together a more believable certificate sitting in our own houses based on the picture of your consumer unit alone than what you've been given!

Message #14 gave some suggestions about finding someone with relative knowledge..... ie, phone them up, ask them how long they think it would take to do an eicr.... other simple questions like "will it matter that its a plastic consumer unit" You know from whats been said on here what the correct answer should be...
If they say, "oh that would fail" then swerve them as well.

Is there any friends that have had electricians that could recommend someone?


The forum does have members all over the country, if not the world..... but not all of us have put our details up on the forum's listing page looking for jobs.

Thank you all for the advice and your help, I will start calling people tomorrow and see what they say. I don't know of any friends that would have rented out their property and need an EICR. It is the first time I am renting out my flat as well and wasn't aware of what I need to look out for. If you have know of anyone who works in London please send me some recommendations

 

[littlespark]

Was this electrician recommended by your letting agent?
I wonder what they would think about this…. Or are they blind to it.