EICR unsatisfactory due to 'no RCD protection to lighting circuits'

[herbiehowler]

To Brianmooore: It's actually just a little over 2.25cm...but I'm past caring now, tbh.

 

[Deleted account]

I’m more interested in the electrician changing his mind from a C2to C3.

He shouldn’t change his report at the Request of the customer.

even if I don’t agree with his original coding.

 

[Grant1987]

Curiously, it doesn't the 2.25m measurement is still from the floor, even if the lamp is diretly over the (raised) bath. Ridiculous, but that's what the regs say.

Yea I agree is ridiculous I just change existing light fitting to suitably ip rated one is easy to do with little extra £££ so don’t see the need to be lazy and not change It.

 

[brianmoooore]

The old reg. said must be not in reach of a person in a bath or shower*. This would exclude a non IP rated light over a raised bath.

* This reminded me of one of the funniest things I've ever witnessed. A electricity board inspector, who had a personal feud with the householder, was inspecting my new installation. I had place an immersion heater switch outside of the airing cupboard in a very large bathroom. Bath position had been revised after I'd done the electrics, and the sight of this overweight character balancing in the bath, desperately trying to prove this switch was within reach, had to be seen to be believed.

 

[Grant1987]

The old reg. said must be not in reach of a person in a bath or shower*. This would exclude a non IP rated light over a raised bath.

* This reminded me of one of the funniest things I've ever witnessed. A electricity board inspector, who had a personal feud with the householder, was inspecting my new installation. I had place an immersion heater switch outside of the airing cupboard in a very large bathroom. Bath position had been revised after I'd done the electrics, and the sight of this overweight character balancing in the bath, desperately trying to prove this switch was within reach, had to be seen to be believed.

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[brianmoooore]

The property was a 'time warp' large farmhouse, which was sold at auction. The boss man of the local electricity board and my customer were the last two bidders, and my customer outbid him, so when it came to connect up to the mains supply (place had a small generator only), he came out in person to do the checks.
Only thing he found 'wrong' in the end, was that I had used the earthing stud on the side of a large ironclad generator change over switch to join some bonding wires together, instead of a separate service block or MET.

 

[Grant1987]

The property was a 'time warp' large farmhouse, which was sold at auction. The boss man of the local electricity board and my customer were the last two bidders, and my customer outbid him, so when it came to connect up to the mains supply (place had a small generator only), he came out in person to do the checks.
Only thing he found 'wrong' in the end, was that I had used the earthing stud on the side of a large ironclad generator change over switch to join some bonding wires together, instead of a separate service block or MET.

Nice to hear stories like that Brian, Although you are definitely old school with the wording of “Electricity Board” they havnt changed much these days just less competent ?

 

[brianmoooore]

Things were much simpler in those days.
SWEB installed the supply, SWEB fitted the meter, SWEB did some very basic testing, SWEB energised the supply, SWEB turned up every three months to read the meter, and SWEB sent you your electricity bill.

 

[Grant1987]

Things were much simpler in those days.
SWEB installed the supply, SWEB fitted the meter, SWEB did some very basic testing, SWEB energised the supply, SWEB turned up every three months to read the meter, and SWEB sent you your electricity bill.

Yea I bet is too many ppl sticking their dirty fingers in the pie these days isn’t it

 

[Manksparkfan]

NICEIC are the ones requiring 30ma rcd protection on all cables above the ceiling/running through the bathroom area.

 

[braddersman]

Hello - sorry to resurrect old thread but it seems to be along the lines of my issue.

I am a landlord with old Volex CU which only has RCD on sockets - EICR inspection has C2's it as no RCD on lighting circuit but reading this thread and spekaing to my usual electrician from London, it would seem it could be a C3 - can anyone advise me please?

Many thanks

Bradley

 

[brianmoooore]

Is the person who did this EICR a member of NAPIT?
NAPIT produce a "codebreakers" booklet, based on nothing other than their own ideas, which suggest C2 instead of C3 for lighting circuits with no RCD.
An EICR is based on the contents of the 18th edition of BS7671, produced by the IET, not the spurious recommendations of trade organisations such as NAPIT or the NICEIC, and the lack of a RCD in a lighting circuit, that was installed correctly at a time when BS7671 didn't require a RCD, is coded as C3, not C2.
This doesn't mean that I consider it acceptable to have any domestic circuit not protected by a RCD, and although I would code it as C3, I would strongly recommend the provision of RCDs in the notes accompanying the EICR.
A similar argument applies to lighting circuits that do not have a cpc.

 

[Deleted account]

Hello - sorry to resurrect old thread but it seems to be along the lines of my issue.

I am a landlord with old Volex CU which only has RCD on sockets - EICR inspection has C2's it as no RCD on lighting circuit but reading this thread and spekaing to my usual electrician from London, it would seem it could be a C3 - can anyone advise me please?

Many thanks

Bradley

What is the exact wording on the report?

it does make a difference. Also when was the lighting circuit installed. And have any alterations been done to the lighting circuit in the last 3 years.

 

[braddersman]

Thanks gents - I actually have not had the report yet so don't have wording, only verbally but could I get round by having RCBO's fitted to existing CU?

 

[brianmoooore]

This is a possibility IF RCBOs are available to fit your existic CU.
The term 'borrowed neutral' may then come into the discussion, if you're unlucky.