EU Brexit - How will you vote given the latest "news"

[YoungScud]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

I didn't exactly mean that people are putting the UK down, but there seems to be a theme amongst the "stay in" mob that we would struggle without Europe and would not be able to either compete or run our country properly or competitively. The point I was making was how do these people imagine we did it before we joined??

Now, where have I heard that before? Oh yes, on the run up to September 18th 2014.

 

[sparksburnout]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Now, where have I heard that before? Oh yes, on the run up to September 18th 2014.

What has Scotland's voting to remain part of the UK got to do with the UK voting to remain part of Europe, exactly??

 

[YoungScud]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

What has Scotland's voting to remain part of the UK got to do with the UK voting to remain part of Europe, exactly??

You're accusing the stay voters of using the very tactics which were widely used by Bitter Together (or Project Fear,as they themselves named it) to persuade people to stay, when I can't find one example in this forum of anyone doing so.

 

[sparksburnout]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

You're accusing the stay voters of using the very tactics which were widely used by Bitter Together (or Project Fear,as they themselves named it) to persuade people to stay, when I can't find one example in this forum of anyone doing so.

I wasn't commenting specifically on Forum voters, but there is a theme common to "stay in" campaigners generally, to try and play on some kind of fear factor, should we leave. This in my opinion, is totally without grounds and not supported by our standing in the world prior to joining. "we", do not need the EU, in order to flourish, quite the opposite, IMO.

 

[YoungScud]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

I wasn't commenting specifically on Forum voters, but there is a theme common to "stay in" campaigners generally, to try and play on some kind of fear factor, should we leave. This in my opinion, is totally without grounds and not supported by our standing in the world prior to joining. "we", do not need the EU, in order to flourish, quite the opposite, IMO.

And I think that once more you're making a statement without any real basis in fact. You've switched now, presumably you can't find any evidence here, to throwing it out as a wider accusation. It won't wash. Prior to joining the EU, our standing was waning, Empire was dead on its feet and manufacturing industries were disappearing rapidly. We were desparate to get in on what was shaping up to be a pretty decent market for us, and that's only improved. You need to base your argument on solid eveidence and define it by your views, not the antipathy of those you disagree with.

 

[sparksburnout]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

And I think that once more you're making a statement without any real basis in fact. You've switched now, presumably you can't find any evidence here, to throwing it out as a wider accusation. It won't wash. Prior to joining the EU, our standing was waning, Empire was dead on its feet and manufacturing industries were disappearing rapidly. We were desparate to get in on what was shaping up to be a pretty decent market for us, and that's only improved. You need to base your argument on solid eveidence and define it by your views, not the antipathy of those you disagree with.

This pretty decent market, as you put it, is dead on its Arse. We have an opportunity to trade directly with the rest of the world, principally the emerging nations. The point I made regarding the fear factor is real, never does a day go by when there is not a news item on any media where some europhile is warning of the so called dangers of being "left out in the cold", well that won't wash, either. If you want to look at industries, how about the fishing one? If we stay in that will be the next to go. We never joined to have our laws made in Brussels are to be virtually ruled by them either.

 

[sean_ork]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

If you want to look at industries, how about the fishing one? If we stay in that will be the next to go ......

You'll have to find a better example than that ......


Pre EU "our" waters were massively over fished, there was massive over capacity, it was a complete free for all - every man and his dog could drag as much fish as it wanted out of the sea - the signs of stock depletion were clear for all to see..


Thanks to the EU there's now a very sensible quota policy, which allows for both managed production and stock protection - without that your chippy tea would be extinct.

 

[sean_ork]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

This pretty decent market, as you put it, is dead on its Arse. We have an opportunity to trade directly with the rest of the world, principally the emerging nations.

We already can, we already do .... why would leaving the EU make that any easier ?

 

[Octopus]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

You'll have to find a better example than that ......


Pre EU "our" waters were massively over fished, there was massive over capacity, it was a complete free for all - every man and his dog could drag as much fish as it wanted out of the sea - the signs of stock deletion were clear for all to see..


Thanks to the EU there's now a very sensible quota policy, which allows for both managed production and stock protection - without that your chippy tea would be extinct.

Yup - but in those days they were "our waters" and yes WE over fished them. Along comes the EU - we give up massive fishing areas AND the number of boats are reduced.

So get our waters back, kick out the foreigners, then replace them with "our" boats - to maintain the fishing levels to sensible ones then hey presto - loads of employment for had pressed coastal towns and villages around the UK

 

[sparksburnout]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

You'll have to find a better example than that ......


Pre EU "our" waters were massively over fished, there was massive over capacity, it was a complete free for all - every man and his dog could drag as much fish as it wanted out of the sea - the signs of stock depletion were clear for all to see..


Thanks to the EU there's now a very sensible quota policy, which allows for both managed production and stock protection - without that your chippy tea would be extinct.

This is EXACTLY my point. Do you think, that given the facts as you have accurately put them, that we would not have been able to sort this out ourselves? Now we have the exact opposite! Foreign boats raid our fishing grounds with impunity and the EU has either orchestrated it or just allows it. How many other "governments" (and I refer to the EU) would preside over the disgusting situation where tons and tons of good fish are thrown away? This is typical of their ineptitude. "Thanks to the EU there's now a very sensible quota policy, which allows for both managed production and stock protection - without that your chippy tea would be extinct." REALLY???

 

[sean_ork]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

I hope you are a good electrician Murdoch.

 

[sparksburnout]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Is that the same quota policy that will soon see the total demise of not just the fishing fleets, but the coastal towns and villages that support them and yet another facet of our country down the drain? This is a fantastic example of how much the EU care about us.

 

[sparksburnout]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

I hope you are a good electrician Murdoch.

I believe he is. what has that got to do with anything though?

 

[andyb]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Well it's common knowledge that I'm in the remain camp, however this intelligent, thought provoking and balanced video by those nice Grassroots Out people have made me think again.
I defy any of you 'Inners' to watch and say you're not swayed by their arguments.

https://t.co/ZHW8JYhLwY

They've taken all out fish and money.

 

[sean_ork]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

This is EXACTLY my point. Do you think, that given the facts as you have accurately put them, that we would not have been able to sort this out ourselves? Now we have the exact opposite! Foreign boats raid our fishing grounds with impunity and the EU has either orchestrated it or just allows it. How many other "governments" (and I refer to the EU) would preside over the disgusting situation where tons and tons of good fish are thrown away? This is typical of their ineptitude.

The evidence suggests that if the status quo had been maintained then our ability to fish would have been decimated, by ourselfs - there would have been no fish left - stock had already been massively depleted.


Why didn't "we" do anything before the EU had to intervien ?


You give the impression that "foreign" boats are daily raiding the fish from our mouths, thats just more of your scaremongering nonsense. Sure there will be a few who fish without a quota, or in excess of their own, but the fines and the chances of getting caught are massive in relation to the gain.


Handling bycatch was a populist campaign staged for a TV show - if you knew even just a little about the industry you'd know how easy is was to mitigate and minimise the issue, you might also know how HFW is widely castigated for presenting a minor issue as a major problem.


You must be able to come up with a far more compelling reason to leave than this ?


The Empire is gone, we had to give it back as we stole it, those days are long gone - fortunately.