EU Brexit - How will you vote given the latest "news"

[Midwest]

You can tell when he is lying, his lips move.

Good shout. To help me making my decision, can you identify me the politician, who's not economical with the truth on this subject?

 

[Octopus]

Good shout. To help me making my decision, can you identify me the politician, who's not economical with the truth on ANY subject?

Corrected that for you!

 

[Midwest]

Corrected that for you!

So I'm stuffed then, can't trust any of them (Leave or Remain). Gonna have to make the decision for myself? Any ideas where I can get some impartial advice? :confused5:

 

[Octopus]

So I'm stuffed then, can't trust any of them (Leave or Remain). Gonna have to make the decision for myself? Any ideas where I can get some impartial advice? :confused5:

I was in the audience for the the Clegg v Ferage EU debate a couple of years ago. I didn't think they were telling us the truth then and I don't think ANYONE is telling us the truth now.

That said you have to remember that Germany and France will do ANYTHING to protect the Euro - the weaker countries like Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy should have been allowed to leave around 2010 - and if they had the EU would have returned to growth a long time ago.

AND remember ALL new countries HAVE to join the Euro when joining the EU.........

 

[andyb]

I don't think ANYONE is telling us the truth now.

They can't all be lying Murdoch.

Remain says there will be job losses, Brexiters say there will not.
Remain says the economy will suffer, Brexiters say it will not
Remain says there will be an impact on security, Brexiters say there will be no impact
Brexiters say we send £350m a week to the EU, remain say we do not

And on and on.

On most points they are arguing polar opposites.

Gonna have to make the decision for myself? Any ideas where I can get some impartial advice? :confused5:

That's right MW. You have to find out as much as you can yourself and make a judgement on that.

Enjoy.

 

[telectrix]

if you want impartial advice. i voted NO in 1974 or 1975 when the first decision was made. i still vote NO now. 40 years of being anti-EU makes that as impartial as you can get. :stuart:

 

[Octopus]

They can't all be lying Murdoch.

Remain says there will be job losses, Brexiters say there will not.
Remain says the economy will suffer, Brexiters say it will not
Remain says there will be an impact on security, Brexiters say there will be no impact
Brexiters say we send £350m a week to the EU, remain say we do not

And on and on.

On most points they are arguing polar opposites.



That's right MW. You have to find out as much as you can yourself and make a judgement on that.

Enjoy.

Interesting point the £350m per week.... you would have thought this would be "easy" to nail down - but neither side have so this is stupid.

What is not in dispute is the fact that we send X - get back Y and there is a massive "contribution" to the fund the net "takers" in the EU


As for the polar opposites - I quite agree - its because neither actually know.

Out of the people I have spoken to they are ALL out except 1 millionaire and 1 civil servant.

 

[sparksburnout]

As I stated, the decisions WOULD be ours to take and make.

As for a Cameron replacement - I can see the Conservatives with a "jeremy corbyn" at the wheel.

The UK doesn't have ANY true leaders at the moment - they are pretty much ALL career politicians without back bones.

Well bl***dy said Murdoch! As I have said before the lot of them are a shower of ---- with a very few exceptions (Margaret Hodge for example). They have all run this country down over decades now. When we do leave I can't wait to see both Cameron and Corbyn resign, and good riddance to the pair of them. On the other topic, how can people say we could not control our own borders?? We are doing it now, non-EU immigration has been reduced massively over the last couple of years, we can't even get curry chef's these days!

 

[Octopus]

Well bl***dy said Murdoch! As I have said before the lot of them are a shower of ---- with a very few exceptions (Margaret Hodge for example). They have all run this country down over decades now. When we do leave I can't wait to see both Cameron and Corbyn resign, and good riddance to the pair of them. On the other topic, how can people say we could not control our own borders?? We are doing it now, non-EU immigration has been reduced massively over the last couple of years, we can't even get curry chef's these days!

Not sure I agree with that.

Immigration from the EU or the rest of the World allows UK plc to "avoid" the costs of training staff..........

 

[sparksburnout]

Not sure I agree with that.

Immigration from the EU or the rest of the World allows UK plc to "avoid" the costs of training staff..........

I don't agree with it either. I think one big point that is never discussed in all this is the fact that we should NOT be using the resources of ANY other countries to bolster up our country. We should be helping them to better their own countries so they do not want to come in the first place (we do financially anyway). An awful lot of these "refugees" are just young men who have looked on their phones at the UK and thought "right sod this place I want to go and live in the UK its great there". It is morally wrong that we are talking of taking doctors, nurses and so on from other countries, they are needed there to help those countries get better. We should have been training our own people, but as usual successive governments have buggered it up and now we are in a mess. I was just making the point that we CAN control our borders, but only if we are OUT regarding EU immigrants.

 

[Wonderwall]

I'm stay in. Though I have positives and negatives ( good eh!!) on both sides of argument.
I think if we we are out , the immigration could be worse. Britain just don't turn boats away from their border. Just now our border is in France, they would gladly send boats our way .
but I know nothing ..:confused5:

 

[Darkwood]

I'm stay in. Though I have positives and negatives ( good eh!!) on both sides of argument.
I think if we we are out , the immigration could be worse. Britain just don't turn boats away from their border. Just now our border is in France, they would gladly send boats our way .
but I know nothing ..:confused5:

Nothing wrong with been flumaxed by it all but read my post 488 about the French border deal

 

[Wonderwall]

Nothing wrong with been flumaxed by it all but read my post 488 about the French border deal

You may be right, but history tells us, not to trust the French with their promises does it not?
If getting out is solely on immigration I think we should stay.
Thats my point. The financial and political side is over my , and most others I think , head

 

[silverfox1]

Wonderwall strip away all the economic, immigration debate and get down to the crux of the matter, as I have said in another post its basically do you want to live in a democratic society or under a dictatorship, it really is that simple, your choice.

 

[silverfox1]

I did mean to include this quote in my last post.

“The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe.”



Gorbachev.