EU Brexit - How will you vote given the latest "news"

[sparksburnout]

a well thought out post, full of truths, not the crap the politicians dish out. it really wants posting on social media to give some of the undecided a no=biassed viewpoint.

Absolutely right Tel. I think DW is wasted as a sparky, he should be running the country.

 

[Wonderwall]

I nearly replied along the lines of what country are you living in, but iv'e just noticed. What a load of bl**dy rubbish do you get the daily mail up there??

Daily mail???!! What are you going on about.
Dont jump to conclusions now, I'm not all for mass immigration. I think we all know the main problem but not allowed to say it.
My gut instinct tells me to be very wary of what Boris and Farage are telling us.

 

[sparksburnout]

Daily mail???!! What are you going on about.
Dont jump to conclusions now, I'm not all for mass immigration. I think we all know the main problem but not allowed to say it.
My gut instinct tells me to be very wary of what Boris and Farage are telling us.

Why?? Go on, what's the main problem?

 

[Midwest]

Absolutely right Tel. I think DW is wasted as a sparky, he should be running the country.

He waffle's on a bit though. Mind you, so do most politicians!

 

[Midwest]

Why?? Go on, what's the main problem?

How about they lie, like pigs in manure. I refer you to post 497.

 

[Darkwood]

Daily mail???!! What are you going on about.
Dont jump to conclusions now, I'm not all for mass immigration. I think we all know the main problem but not allowed to say it.
My gut instinct tells me to be very wary of what Boris and Farage are telling us.

Boris is Boris I must agree, but Farage is kind of a different kettle of fish, as part of the UKIP he has by those who don't really follow politics been classed as racist, xenophobic, biggot etc etc you name it, he's been tagged with it and in some cases he only has himself to blame for not choosing his words better but although Mr Farage is somewhat a recent political entity to most UK people he's been well known in Brussels for many a year and throughout that time he has done nothing else but stand up for the UK and and critisise the unelected undemocratic elite that runs the EU, love him or hate him you can actually thank Mr Farage for the referendum as it was the Tories base fear of losing votes to UKIP that forced Cameron to make his fateful promise of a referendum in the first place, un-beknown to Mr Cameron Labour voting would crash mainly to do with SNP stripping them of a sizeable chunk of votes and also LIB Dems plummeted for betraying the very people that prop them up... this Led is a Conservative majority which wasn't on anyones cards including Cam's hence he said he would offer a referendum if they won, at best he expected another coalition thus he could default on that promise.

Mr Cameron now in theory could go down as the catalyst that destroyed the EU, not that it was doing so well anyway but if we were to leave and prosper the knock on effects for the EU could be deep as other countries see the benefits of trading worldwide without been ring fenced into a trade block and limited to external trade.... this is all hypothetical of course but not that far fetched IMHO, what ever happens, if we did exit then the EU has some changes to make to stop itself imploding any further than it has now...

Strange all negative stories about the EU are not on our news a lately like the music concert in Germany where immigrants were sexually assaulting and raping people, or the greek immigrant camp where internal rioting between immigrant from different backgrounds due to children been raped and assaulted or even the riots in some member states that have occured recently.... its almost like we are in a George Orwell movie where information is controlled to benefit the state.

 

[Wonderwall]

Why?? Go on, what's the main problem?

I simply don't trust them.
Do you respect and trust Boris?

 

[silverfox1]

A few quotes for you.


“Fundamental renegotiation is very, very unlikely to produce any significant change,” Vince Cable, on the subject of Cameron’s plans 10th September 2013


“I have lived in your future ….and it doesn’t work” (Russian dissident Vladimir Bukovsky on the EU)


‘If it’s a Yes we will say “on we go”, and if it’s a No we will say “we continue”.’ (Jean-Claude Juncker, President of the European Council)


“They must go on voting until they get it right.” (Jose Manuel Barroso, President of the European Commission)


“Let’s be clear about this. The rejection of the constitution was a mistake that will have to be corrected.” (Valéry Giscard d’Estaing)


“The ‘no’ votes were a demand for more Europe, not less.” (Romano Prodi, former President of the European Commission)


“No government dependent on a democratic vote could possibly agree in advance to the sacrifices which any adequate plan for European Union must involve. The people must be led slowly and unconsciously into the abandonment of their traditional economic defences, not asked…” (Peter Thorneycroft, former Tory MP)


“The huge cost of the Common Agricultural Policy to taxpayers and consumers far outweighs any benefit to them…” (Memo by MAFF to House of Lords European Communities Committee 1995)

 

[Darkwood]

He waffle's on a bit though. Mind you, so do most politicians!

Your lucky this is a side interest and not my main study, if we were on a quantum physics thread then all bets are off as that's my hobby.

 

[sparksburnout]

I simply don't trust them.
Do you respect and trust Boris?

It isn't about individuals and whether or not you trust them, it is about forming an opinion based on the evidence available, and a common sense approach as to what the future will bring. Contrary to your previous comment, our services are already dangerously stretched. We have problems with housing stock, oversized classrooms, social services and a gradual drop in levels of pay particularly amongst unskilled workers. There are unacceptable levels of unemployment among young people over much of Europe, because growth in the EU has been stifled. As can be seen from the quotes provided by Silverfox the EU is an un-demoratic monster led by unelected power crazed and as far as I am concerned untrustworthy politicians. We pay outrageous sums of money in order to bolster up the failing or failed economies of many of the other member states, money that we could be far better invested in our own country. The NHS is providing health care for half of Europe, no wonder it is falling apart. We have been conned right from day one by that clown Ted Heath and his like, and in my opinion we need to take this golden opportunity to abandon this mess and stand on our own two feet again. To answer your question I think Boris speaks a damn sight more sense than most of the Remain mob and I respect him a lot more than Cameron, Osborne & Co.

 

[telectrix]

I simply don't trust them.
Do you respect and trust Boris?

i'd trust boris before i'd trust the hyenas that are at present in the government and the main opposition.

 

[telectrix]

It isn't about individuals and whether or not you trust them, it is about forming an opinion based on the evidence available, and a common sense approach as to what the future will bring. Contrary to your previous comment, our services are already dangerously stretched. We have problems with housing stock, oversized classrooms, social services and a gradual drop in levels of pay particularly amongst unskilled workers. There are unacceptable levels of unemployment among young people over much of Europe, because growth in the EU has been stifled. As can be seen from the quotes provided by Silverfox the EU is an un-demoratic monster led by unelected power crazed and as far as I am concerned untrustworthy politicians. We pay outrageous sums of money in order to bolster up the failing or failed economies of many of the other member states, money that we could be far better invested in our own country. The NHS is providing health care for half of Europe, no wonder it is falling apart. We have been conned right from day one by that clown Ted Heath and his like, and in my opinion we need to take this golden opportunity to abandon this mess and stand on our own two feet again. To answer your question I think Boris speaks a damn sight more sense than most of the Remain mob and I respect him a lot more than Cameron, Osborne & Co.

well said. my sentiments exactly.

 

[Octopus]

“They must go on voting until they get it right.” (Jose Manuel Barroso, President of the European Commission)

Hum.... so if its a win for out and the EU ask us to vote again do they think we will say yes on the 2nd try? I think its likely to alienate more people and just go to show how undemocratic the EU is.

After all about 4 weeks ago the Dutch had a vote and the EU completely ignored their wishes....

 

[sparksburnout]

Hum.... so if its a win for out and the EU ask us to vote again do they think we will say yes on the 2nd try? I think its likely to alienate more people and just go to show how undemocratic the EU is.

After all about 4 weeks ago the Dutch had a vote and the EU completely ignored their wishes....

They will be the next out after us.

 

[silverfox1]

An interesting development.

[h=1]MPs 'considering using majority' to keep UK in single market[/h]
see here. MPs 'considering using majority' to keep UK in single market - BBC News