FIT Announcement expected tomorrow (Thursday)

[Gavin A]

Gotta love your optimism Gavin:joker:

tbf, in January more than 2 a week would be a rush.

Point is though, there's bound to be some level of people wanting to get in before the cut, and it's incredibly hard at that time of year to know how many jobs you actually can guarantee to complete. If the weather turns, which it's very likely to, then lots of companies could end up pretty screwed - conversely if it doesn't, then those that too high levels of risk with their installation rates could end up pushing the rest of the industry in to a higher degression rate next time around, while it'd only be them that really benefitted from the higher install rates.

DECC really shouldn't be encouraging this sort of thing at that time of year. If the weather does turn, I wouldn't be surprised to find installers dying while being pushed to meet targets in the snow and ice.

 

[scottliv]

Is the new export tariff of 4.5p for all installations retrospectively or only from 1/8/12. It is not clear in the DECC statement.

 

[pcollins]

It is not clear in the DECC statement.

No surprise there then! Nothing ever is with them!

I think it is for new installs from 01/08

 

[Gavin A]

Is the new export tariff of 4.5p for all installations retrospectively or only from 1/8/12. It is not clear in the DECC statement.

new installs after 1st August only, though I forget where I read that.

 

[langstroth2]

is it incompetence, or is it actually their intention to kill the industry?

I know I've said this before, I remain convinced, this is typical central gov civil servant incompetence rather than anything approximating to a plan or strategy. They can think they mean well, but just don't live in any real world commercial reality; and ministers will do what they are advised by said same civil servants. The culture of the majority of gov depts is of self obsessed naval gazing; I'm sure DECC is no different. Sorry doesn't help with managing the impact of all this I know.

 

[jupestar]

I don;t really care about the rates etc, it'll work one way or another. Even if it is a case of scaling back and becoming a one man band. But what other industry has to re-calibrate all the models and literature every 3 months.

We need to employ someone just to follow and manage all the changes problem is we can't afford to cause the race to bottom is on and i forgot my weight belt!!

 

[Worcester]

Here's the offical rates table:

Feed-in Tariff scheme: Tariff Table 1 August 2012 Non-PV Only - More Document Information

Interesting that even released today they have still included the bands, I've listened 3 time now to what Barking Mad said (download it as an MP3 from here: http://------/B4k1ngM4d ) and I'm still not sure what rate >4k systems will be ..

 

[Ian-LS]

Here's the offical rates table:

Feed-in Tariff scheme: Tariff Table 1 August 2012 Non-PV Only - More Document Information

Interesting that even released today they have still included the bands, I've listened 3 time now to what Barking Mad said (download it as an MP3 from here: http://------/B4k1ngM4d ) and I'm still not sure what rate >4k systems will be ..

Does Solar PV not exist in that table?....ah the clue was in the title

 

[babba]

Here's the offical rates table:

Feed-in Tariff scheme: Tariff Table 1 August 2012 Non-PV Only - More Document Information

Interesting that even released today they have still included the bands, I've listened 3 time now to what Barking Mad said (download it as an MP3 from here: http://------/B4k1ngM4d ) and I'm still not sure what rate >4k systems will be ..

Dont think he knows himself.

 

[SRE]

Have you noticed that the degression can only be halted for 2 consecutive quarters So effectively it's dead over the winter but we could still have reduced tariffs - even if economies of scale aren't reducing the costs. The cost report shows 14% reduction in costs for every doubling of capacity but there doesn't seem to be any mechanism for increased fuel costs, labour costs or other materials cost increases.

Another thought if the targets for installation aren't met, the tariff stays the same so how come only 20% of the target was hit this time but the tariff has been reduced by 24%.

3.5% looks reasonable for degression - I haven't got to the bit about 28% yet, has anyone else???

 

[Ian-LS]

Have you noticed that the degression can only be halted for 2 consecutive quarters So effectively it's dead over the winter but we could still have reduced tariffs - even if economies of scale aren't reducing the costs. The cost report shows 14% reduction in costs for every doubling of capacity but there doesn't seem to be any mechanism for increased fuel costs, labour costs or other materials cost increases.

Another thought if the targets for installation aren't met, the tariff stays the same so how come only 20% of the target was hit this time but the tariff has been reduced by 24%.

3.5% looks reasonable for degression - I haven't got to the bit about 28% yet, has anyone else???

I think this is the stuff you are looking for SRE...

 

[Worcester]

Sorry wrong one Feed-in Tariff scheme: Tariff Table 1 August 2012 PV Only - More Document Information

 

[mdovey]

new installs after 1st August only, though I forget where I read that.

It isn't a lot of money, but is DECC opening themselves up to another legal challenge? Those with existing installations would have done so on the basis of receiving an export tariff at the commercial rate - applying a lower rate than the commercial rate to existing installations is yet another attempt to make a retrospective change!

Also what happens when the 25 years of the generation tariff is up (assuming the panels are still generating then) - does the install get the higher export tariff at that point (on the basis that it is no longer receiving any generation tariff)?

 

[SRE]

Good question - what does happen to the generation tariff after the 25/20 years???

 

[TedM]

No one knows yet. It will be open to suppliers to come up with a deal and make an offer. Depending on market conditions at the time I can see that they would only pay for export and then only if their admin costs were fully covered. Could be a market opportunity for someone with vision.