Garage consumer unit rcd trips out

[Mr Karl E Taylor]

Without proper test equipment you are peeing in the wind. I've just read your 5 page thread on another forum...The fault should be found 1st before you just start replacing things. Your methods are haphazard.

agree , but I was wanting to fix it myself however it is really annoying its looking like i am going to have to get some one in as doesnt sound like a easy fix. its also annoying that my parents garage has the same kind of set up but has a old style 10 way unit in the garage and there is no issues .
led lighting at the moment to change all the lights to this set up i think will be too expensive . i think i have a look for a electrician next week . i am just very cautious now with trade people as have had a few bad experience with so called time served specialist in the past that where vetted etc . but looks like i be going that way again and getting some one in ..................

 

[telectrix]

saying I have the same consumer unit as my neighbour but can't understand why mine has a fault and theirs

that's probably because the neighbours had their install done by a qualified spark.

 

[Mr Karl E Taylor]

Without proper test equipment you are peeing in the wind. I've just read your 5 page thread on another forum...The fault should be found 1st before you just start replacing things. Your methods are haphazard.

agree , but I was wanting to fix it myself however it is really annoying its looking like i am going to have to get some one in as doesnt sound like a easy fix. its also annoying that my parents garage has the same kind of set up but has a old style 10 way unit in the garage and there is no issues .
led lighting at the moment to change all the lights to this set up i think will be too expensive . i think i have a look for a electrician next week . i am just very cautious now with trade people as have had a few bad experience with so called time served specialist in the past that where vetted etc . but looks like i be going that way again and getting some one in ..................

 

[telectrix]

@ OP here. £30 for 2. wire as the first pic, diss. the ballast and starter. simple job.

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[Mr Karl E Taylor]

saying I have the same consumer unit as my neighbour but can't understand why mine has a fault and theirs

that's probably because the neighbours had their install done by a qualified spark.

no, strangely enough i did it 10 years ago , but now since you are not allowed to do most domestic home electrics yourself i had to pay a qualified part P 17th edition sparkey to do the job . the irony of paying a specialist ,and having it tested and needed to keep the installation certificate etc for insurance and now its faulty and i am a home owner annoys me . whats that saying a trades man never blames himself its always his tools . check a trade.com
i wouldnt care the flourecents in the parents garage are at least 10 years old and had no problems what so ever with them or the old plastic mk 10 way consumer unit . this stuff in my garage is only a few years old . what a joke ...........

 

[Mr Karl E Taylor]

@ OP here. £30 for 2. wire as the first pic, diss. the ballast and starter. simple job.

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thanks for the link. but why would switching one of these lights off trip the rcd ????????????

 

[Mr Karl E Taylor]

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fluorescents are notorious for tripping RCDs as the ballasts have inherent leakage, usually though with more fittings than you 2. however, with then being 6ft., it could be the cause. also the may be cumulative leakage on other circuits, each below the RCD threshold, but adding together. I would replace the 2 suspect florries with LED equivalents, or modify to LED tubes.

t only happens when switching one or both of them off ........shouldnt it happend when switching them on? why doesnt it do it with the other four light fittings when i have them all on and switch them off??

 

[SparkyChick]

I recently completed a garden lighting installation. 5 CFL bollards and 7 LED spike lights. The day after completion customer messaged me telling me it was tripping the RCD in the CU supplying the installation. It appeared to be that this was happening when they were being turned off.

Everything was tested on the day of installation, no excessive leakage, great IR readings, RCD ramped OK and was working great. Tested again the next day just in case, nothing even hinting at a cause was found.

Scratching my head I systematically went round the lights checking everything. The only thing I found was that some connections in the bollards were loose (these were manufacturers connections not mine).

Tightened them up and the tripping has stopped, so my advice would be turn the power off and work through the connections in the fluorescents making sure they are nice and tight and see if that fixes it.

I'm not saying there are other problems that proper testing would reveal, but as an interim measure, start simple and check the connection.

 

[Taylortwocities]

but now since you are not allowed to do most domestic home electrics yourself

But you are allowed to. Anything but installing new circuits, consumer units or work in bathrooms does not need notification.
You need to test your own work, of course.

But, really, as has been advised over and over again, change out those two fittings. You can do this yourself.
If the problem is still there, then you need an expert.

 

[Pete999]

sorry , no test kit , just pressed it and it resets . i think i might need to get a electrician in as its very annoying this ,

the thing is my parents garage has the same set up but has a old style plastic 10 way consumer unit in the garage with exactlty the same set up with lights etc and there is no issues with the rcd tripping out .

Best idea to date Mr Karl get a Sparky to test your garage and locate the fault.

 

[Dillb]

. i think i have a look for a electrician next week . i am just very cautious now with trade people as have had a few bad experience with so called time served specialist in the past that where vetted etc . but looks like i be going that way again and getting some one in ..................

Where abouts are you? There may be reputable member of the community here who can help or know someone who can?

 

[telectrix]

he's in Redcar where they race women and marry horses.

 

[Mr Karl E Taylor]

Change the fluorescent to LED tubes and bypass the ballasts, would suggest you get an electrician in to do it as they will know what they are doing and can then do some proper tests. Your analogy of your parents setup being similar to yours is like saying I have the same consumer unit as my neighbour but can't understand why mine has a fault and theirs doesn't!

just annoying thats all , but your comments are fair enough . seems to be a totaly agreement that the flourecents are old school and i have been unfortunate . might as well just change the whole units to led . any one recommend a good quality make as heard they are some cheap rubbish ones out there . i dont want to buy cheap rubbish and have to do the job again in a years time or so . thanks

 

[Midwest]

Another cheap option to try is replace the switches.

Closing a double pole switch may also trip an RCD (as may closing a single pole switch). The effect may be aggravated further by the slow break feature of the switch often found in domestic a.c. switchgear.
(Beama RCD Handbook)

Switches are relatively cheap, and easy to replace. Might be worth a try, as your other luminaires don't seem to have the same problem, with their respective switches?

 

[Bob Geldoff1234]

Try what SparkyChick suggests first.I think you might find that's the problem especially with you saying that you could hear crackling.Also check the busbar under the breakers.(After isolating the unit!). I use my mobile phone camera to look along the breakers and make sure each one is clamped onto the busbar.It's amazing how many times the breaker connection has missed the busbar and is just touching it instead.