Green Deal & Eco Funds

[SolarCity]

If you can want to start a new thread in the Sun Lounge about the subject then feel free to do so.

 

[Greenday]

How do you get access to the sun lounge? Tried several times and have had no response

 

[Megavolt]

So what's happening with Eco and the green deal now. Has the green deal got going yet.

 

[Gavin A]

So what's happening with Eco and the green deal now. Has the green deal got going yet.

think green deal is into double figures now nationally, so obviously is a rip roaring success.

Eco.... just been hearing something pretty bad today about a major external wall insulation project where the company involved is now trying to get a few thousand extra off the owners per building as the ECO funding isn't high enough to cover the costs.... that and some very dodgy goings on with a shady firm of ECO funded gas fitters apparently going around not paying contractors and suppliers for months on end due to the 90 day payment terms they're getting from ECO funders, and the way this means they're getting one gas fitter after another to work for them for a month til they realise they're not getting paid, then move on to the next.... shambles IMO.

 

[solarsavings]

That's not good news Gavin a lot of the guys on the gas forum I go on are installing as many as 5 boilers a week and I doubt many could could wait 90 days for payment.

 

[Gavin A]

That's not good news Gavin a lot of the guys on the gas forum I go on are installing as many as 5 boilers a week and I doubt many could could wait 90 days for payment.

that's if they get paid at all, sounds likethis firm is just bumping each new fitter that comes along, then dangling the carrot of 5 installs a week in front of the next mug...

should have had the same emphasis on short maximium payment terms as has apparently been going on in the public sector in recent years - one of the stupid things about out sourcing it all to the private sector so that normal public sector procurement rules such as this don't apply (although obviously those same procurement rules are a complete nightmare in other respects).

 

[The Solar King]

Was talking to someone I know who is a private landlord with quite a few tenants in receipt of benefits. He will get new boilers FOC for a number of his properties under ECO but delivered through large organisations. He knows that if he had to pay himself, the same work would be a whole lot cheaper. So these companies are playing it both ends. The whole programme stinks. It is time to get rid of these middle men and get their ugly snouts out of the trough.

Total revision of the Green Deal is the only way to sort this.

 

[Megavolt]

This sounds bad news all round. I am pas aproved but am unsure now. Is there no company that is good to deal with provider wise or are they all a shower of bad stuff

 

[Gavin A]

sure there must be good companies around as well... there's a couple posting on this thread, one not that far off from you.

 

[SRE]

The £20m community GD fund launched made me laugh today. Innovative new ideas of going street by street in an area, cos that's never been done successfully before has it! Lots & lots of talk about "blending" ECO & GD giving some credit to what Worcester was saying a couple of weeks ago about the GD & ECO being merged. The best bit was that you are measured on GDP take up on the one hand but on the other it's not all about GDPs. Total mess.

The blog about why the last report released from DECC about house prices and EPC's being linked was even more shambolic. I'm glad we're not involved but I really feel for those who took the plunge & spent time and money getting ready for it.

 

[sedgy34]

the late payments mentioned are down to the utility companys not sorting the backlog quickly enough
most installers will suffer from this.

 

[SRE]

Yup that's what they've been saying since 1998 when they started having to pay for this sort of thing under SOP. You'd have thought they would have got that backlog sorted by now! Just remember where the power (and cash) lies. As long as you have the cash to bankroll the utilities (tail wagging dog) then you've got a chance of outliving those with little or no funds.

 

[Jimy]

Ive just got off the phone with the energy saving trust and they say ECO only covers gas boilers and insulation. Is that right?

 

[Gavin A]

no. Though that could be right in your circumstances maybe as tehre are different strands of funding that different situations are eligible for or not

 

[TedM]

ECO consists of three parts.

1. Carbon Emission Reduction Obligation (CERO) which is for insulation of solid wall and hard-to-treat cavity wall properties or connection to a district heating system (in association with the insulation). Available to anyone with an eligible property as determined by a chartered surveyor.
2. Carbon Saving Community Obligation (CSCO) for people who live in specific geographic locations (there is a list of these) and covers insulation and associated connection to a district heating system. Part of this obligation is for people who are members of the Affordable Warmth Group.
3. Home Heating Cost Reduction Obligation (HHCRO) is to provide measures to homeowners who are in receipt of specific welfare benefits (including members of the Affordable Warmth Group).

A full list of the eligible measures for each part is available here: http://www.ofgem.gov.uk/Sustainabil...st of Measures and Additional Information.pdf

Under HHCRO virtually all of the measures are eligible where they result in cost savings for the homeowner or improve their ability to affordably heat their home. Being a homeowner is critical for HHCRO; it is not available for tenants. CERO and CSCO are available to anyone who is a domestic energy user.