Horses are important too

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Poll.....

Did Telectrix wire up Newbury race course?

 

[Paul.M]

Eeerrrmmm if we did an experiment and both of us tied horse shoes to our feet and stood in that paddock. Can I be the one with the carbon shoes and you can have the steel? This may only have had a small part to play in this as one horse walked away and the other 2 didn't and by the pics on the net both horses were a distance apart. Let's see what the investigators find. I bet a lot of race courses and public areas are having an electrical inspection for buried hv cables at the moment, imagine if this was a music concert with 50,000 people there?

 

[Penance]

Sorry i was reffering to the comments made by the media regarding steel and ally, not the carbon.

 

[telectrix]

Eeerrrmmm if we did an experiment and both of us tied horse shoes to our feet and stood in that paddock. Can I be the one with the carbon shoes and you can have the steel? This may only have had a small part to play in this as one horse walked away and the other 2 didn't and by the pics on the net both horses were a distance apart. Let's see what the investigators find. I bet a lot of race courses and public areas are having an electrical inspection for buried hv cables at the moment, imagine if this was a music concert with 50,000 people there?

judging by what i've seen at a lot of music concerts re the audience jumping up and down like imbeciles, they've all had buried faulty cables there anyway

 

[Paul.M]

"Sorry i was reffering to the comments made by the media regarding steel and ally, not the carbon."

Sorry penance I wasn't trying to be funny.

Does anybody know what they have found out yet or are the investigators still trying to figure it out?

 

[Penance]

Didnt think you were mate, just clarifying.
Id rather not take part in your experiment tho

Not read anything else about it as yet, guess its still under investigation.

 

[telectrix]

but there is a glut on the market for glue

 

[rocker]

The shoes aren't important, all we need to know is whether they are conductive or not. If you touch a busbar with your finger, you get an electric shock. If you touch it with a bit of copper, you get a very similar shock. If you touch it with steel you get another very similar shock. If you are wearing rubber gloves, you will probably avoid the shock.

So:

A horse in bare feet or shod with any sufficiently conductive material could get a shock. If the horses wore wellies, they would have probably avoided the shock, but probably would not be very good at running.

 

[telectrix]

The shoes aren't important, all we need to know is whether they are conductive or not. If you touch a busbar with your finger, you get an electric shock. If you touch it with a bit of copper, you get a very similar shock. If you touch it with steel you get another very similar shock. If you are wearing rubber gloves, you will probably avoid the shock.

So:

A horse in bare feet or shod with any sufficiently conductive material could get a shock. If the horses wore wellies, they would have probably avoided the shock, but probably would not be very good at running.

but OK for salmon fishing.

 

[rocker]

Yep or a spot of gardening.

 

[telectrix]

anyone seeking work, job going. must have test equipment and good knowledge of fault finding, and own wellies. apply newbury races

 

[aptsys]

Also if underground cables are 230/400 volts then why were only horses affected? Safe touch voltage for humans is 50V and 25V for animals so why the lower potential?

In addition to the fact that horses are more susceptible to voltage gradients, don't forget the humans aren't walking about bare footed!

 

[telectrix]

so, if steel is such a good conductor. why are we working with steel toecapped boots?

 

[pushrod]

It boils down to the number of electrons surrounding the nucleus of the atom. Eg cooper has 27 therefore a good conductor. Steel has about 26 I think and carbon horse shoes are a semi conductor (depends upon the materials added at manufacturing if it conducts or not)

Carbon is an excellent conductor as the guys who fish under power lines with carbon poles find out Think you might be thinking of silicon, which is the usual example of a semi conducting material that can be doped to affect its conductivity

And steel is not an element it is an alloy. It is iron that has 26 electrons per atom

 

[bugsy]

Put your conspiracy to one side for the minute even though I don't doubt foul play goes on, but those horses were worth a bit.

The horses came off the rubber mat out on the track and the theory is a volt leakage was in area of earth and given the length between the horses front and rear legs they both connected via their metal horse shoes with 2 different potential ie voltages. Hard to explain on the forum, but sure someone will simplify what I'm trying to say.

A human would not have been able to connect with both the areas of earth at the same time, legs not far enough apart. Also they say horses are less tolerant than humans. In total 3 horses got caught in it and 2 died. But its only a theory but John Francome a ex jump jockey explained it well enough.

I have'nt read all the post's but this about sum's it up ( see reg's regarding livestock )

 

[Paul.M]

Carbon is an excellent conductor as the guys who fish under power lines with carbon poles find out Think you might be thinking of silicon, which is the usual example of a semi conducting material that can be doped to affect its conductivity And steel is not an element it is an alloy. It is iron that has 26 electrons per atom .


Ok Pushrod you've got me . I won't go into atomic table counts for different materials. It's a boring subject.

Can't believe we are all talking about shoes. What's next week handbags with matching accessories?